confused between nimzo,KID and grunfeld
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i am confused...i get beaten badly sometimes in the KID, sometimes forget theory and lose in the grunfeld and sometimes the Nimzo gets too technical. i don't know what to do I want to stick with something and not float around. help
Aug 20, 2023
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Play the Samisch vs KID, Devin Gambit vs Nimzo, and Nadanian attack vs Gruenfeld
I was talking as black vro
Here's an easy approach - a NID/Bogo system that's really quite simple to remember. I play it quite often:
The idea is really straightforward: develop your bishop to b4, then put your center pawns on dark squares (d6+e5). The king bishop usually gets traded away at some point.
Aug 20, 2023
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What middle game positions do you prefer to play or understand?
Those are all fine choices including the Flamingo…..
Aug 20, 2023
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Bogo-IndianaJones wrote:
Is the flamingo good or is it another lame bird like the hawk
The flamingo is limited but I get the objective of limiting theory and playing a simplified system based like game.
The Grunfeld and KID are more versatile because it can be played against the London and English, whereas the Flamingo cannot.
Im not a fan of Nc6 blocking the c pawn either. I just prefer to utilize all of my resources and stay on tempo.
I am not a fan of the KID but it is ultra popular at the 1800-2200 level, despite the theory, many pawn structures and maneuvering that would deter me.
Aug 20, 2023
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Bogo-IndianaJones wrote:
I like this system vs London
I noticed c5 is a thematic move against the London.
I play the Grunfeld, KID and small center/“Katalimov Sicilian”/hedgehog games.
Chuck639 wrote:
Bogo-IndianaJones wrote:
Is the flamingo good or is it another lame bird like the hawk
The flamingo is limited but I get the objective of limiting theory and playing a simplified system based like game.
The Grunfeld and KID are more versatile because it can be played against the London and English, whereas the Flamingo cannot.
Im not a fan of Nc6 blocking the c pawn either. I just prefer to utilize all of my resources and stay on tempo.
I am not a fan of the KID but it is ultra popular at the 1800-2200 level, despite the theory, many pawn structures and maneuvering that would deter me.
Yes, it only limits the theory somewhat. As you pointed out, it's not a catch-all system against everything - it only applies to certain scenarios (specifically, when White has played d4+c4).
Also, ... Nc6 blocking the c-pawn is only temporary. The knight will eventually move at some point, once it has served its purpose.
Often, it acts as a lure to tempt White into playing d4-d5, overextending his center. Then the d5 pawn becomes a point for Black to attack (with ...c7-c6).
Aug 20, 2023
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IronSteam1 wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Bogo-IndianaJones wrote:
Is the flamingo good or is it another lame bird like the hawk
The flamingo is limited but I get the objective of limiting theory and playing a simplified system based like game.
The Grunfeld and KID are more versatile because it can be played against the London and English, whereas the Flamingo cannot.
Im not a fan of Nc6 blocking the c pawn either. I just prefer to utilize all of my resources and stay on tempo.
I am not a fan of the KID but it is ultra popular at the 1800-2200 level, despite the theory, many pawn structures and maneuvering that would deter me.
Yes, it only limits the theory somewhat. As you pointed out, it's not a catch-all system against everything - it only applies to certain scenarios (specifically, when White has played d4+c4).
Also, ... Nc6 blocking the c-pawn is only temporary. The knight will eventually move at some point, once it has served its purpose.
Often, it acts as a lure to tempt White into playing d4-d5, overextending his center. Then the d5 pawn becomes a point for Black to attack (with ...c7-c6).
Thanks for the information.
I am not a fan of d4-d5, I find playing the Maroczy Bind is more testing and rarer to challenge Indian Games.
When I was picking out a repertoire with an NM coach, my preferences were for open tactical games.
Closed games, and undeveloping pieces goes against my personality fit for playing actively and staying on tempo.
Theory in chess is an interesting word and has many meanings.
Aug 20, 2023
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Theory has different meanings depending what player bracket you are in.
To me at the 1500-2000 OTB bracket, theory is understanding 2-5 moves, key ideas, pattern recognition and associated middle game plans.
To an NM, it’s 12-20 moves with multiple variations.
Regardless of what theory means, the advice I got was play the middle games you enjoy or understand.
Aug 20, 2023
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Optimissed wrote:
The trouble with the Maroczy Bind is that in many positions it can be broken out of by playing the pawn advance even if it's a sacrifice, so the player of the Bind has to constantly work out whether it's safe.
In the Classical King's Indian, white likes to play d4-d5 when there's a tempo gain if black played Bc6. Equally, black plays Nc6 to tempt white. It's better for white but black can play for a draw and hope white overextends. One misplaced piece by white and black can win. It's very sharp even though it looks as though it's just manoeuvring.
As white I try to win by opening the c file, getting the rooks and queen off and outplaying black on the queenside. I find the KID the most enjoyable of all openings as white. Moves like Ne1 are played by white and the purpose is to command the light squared diagonal with the B which is always on e2, whilst moving the N on e1 to d3, most usually.
In summary, is it accurate to say white wins the game on the queenside initiative and KID players are pressing on the king side?
When to counter attack or defend is a different story….
I am a proponent of playing openings/defenses (especially as Black) which offer me a reasonable chance at success and which my opponents will typically not be expecting, thus making it more likely that they will be less prepared than me to play it. That is, openings where there is a good chance (assuming I have done my due diligence) that I will know it better than my opponent does...
For example, as Black against 1.d4.....
Queen's Gambit Accepted (QGA)...(1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlXXfcXcF5o&ab_channel=HangingPawns
Ragozin Defense - similar to, and an alternative/companion variant to the Nimzo-Indian Defense...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oRtSS4lENo&ab_channel=HangingPawns
Albin Counter Gambit - for its surprise value (against the Queens Gambit: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5)....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drRFTPODZlA&ab_channel=HangingPawns
I know the flamingo I used to play that only.
@ironsteam1 don't you said you play queen's Indian more?
My Rating Is Lower Than You So I Dont Know If You Will Taking Advice Or Not,But If You Want To Stick On Opening Why Not Choose By Win Rate Or By Typical Play You Want,In my Case I Choose Sicilian Najdorf And KID Because i Like to play Sharp And Attack Also The Win Rate Surprisingly High Especially King Indian,I Used To play Different Before Again d4,Nimzo, Qgd But None Of Them Really Giving me impressive Result,So I Change Into KID.
rupam44 wrote:
@ironsteam1 don't you said you play queen's Indian more?
I'll often play a Queen's Indian setup if ...Bb4 isn't an option, yes (if White plays d4 but not an early c4, for example).
Such as:
Gotta try these. Do you get good results with it?
