#17: Theron, of course I understand it, I was raised on it and my mother and my wife (sometimes even my mother-in-law) still use to pray for me. But as human beings they can't assume I will be burned for not believing. Maybe I didn't express myself well. I simply find it extremely unfair from an human perspective.
Correlation between chess and atheism.
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Ramona-Carbona wrote:
Chess is a thinking game. The more you think the more you lose your childhood connection to the sacred.
and you're supposed to grow into an adult connection to the sacred; some people remain in arrested development
jamelee88 wrote:
If you look at most published studies they all tend to show that as education rises, religiosity falls. Inversely Proportional. The more we understand the universe the less need we feel to assign supernatural responsibility.
The opposite is true.
The earth is moving in a 600 million mile orbit around the sun at the speed of more than 1,000 miles per minute. One writer notes:
“Since the earliest astronomical observations, thousands of years ago, the length of the rotation, or revolution, has not varied by the thousandth part of a second” (A Textbook of General Science. Mountain View, CA: Pacific Publishing Co.).
Dr. Robert Jastrow, an agnostic-astronomer, authored the book, God and the Astronomers. This is what he said about Albert Einstein’s belief in “God.”
“For Einstein, the existence of God was proven by the laws of nature; that is, the fact that there was order in the Universe and man could discover it. When Einstein came to New York in 1921 a rabbi sent him a telegram asking, ‘Do you believe in God?’ and Einstein replied, ‘I believe in Spinoza’s God, who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists.’”
Our solar system is in such perfect order that we can set our watches by it. I'm not attacking you. I am defending my faith which you have attacked.
Einstein did not believe in the God of Christianity.
However, if you wish to defend your faith, there is something called Open Discussion here on chess.com.
May 23, 2015
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ab121705 wrote:
Ramona-Carbona wrote:
Chess is a thinking game. The more you think the more you lose your childhood connection to the sacred.
and you're supposed to grow into an adult connection to the sacred; some people remain in arrested development
Precisely.
I haven't noticed any correlation. Not sure how you did.
ponz111 wrote:
Einstein did not believe in the God of Christianity.
However, if you wish to defend your faith, there is something called Open Discussion here on chess.com.
So in your view someone can come on the general forum and deride someone's faith at will but the other party isn't allowed to defend themselves? Sounds about right.
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These damn PEOPLE with their normal behavior and urges!!! They really have it coming by golly!!!
You're right, he sounds merciful.
At the age of 34 Einstein boasted, "I have firmly resolved to bite the dust, when my times comes, with the minimum of medical assistance, and up to then I will sin to my wicked heart's content."
Two months before his death in 1955, he said, "To one bent on age, death will come as a release. I feel this quite strongly now that I have grown old myself and have come to regard death like an old debt, at long last to be discharged. Still, instinctively one does everything possible to postpone the final settlement. Such is the game that Nature plays with us. (Adapted from God Doesn't Believe in Athiests.)
It isn't Nature that seeks a "final settlement"; it is the Law of God like a criminal who has transgressed civil law, he (like the rest of humanity) was in debt to eternal justice because he had transgressed God's Law.
May 23, 2015
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I enjoyed reading "The Accidental Universe", by Alan Lightman. The main takeaway idea is that you can't prove that God created the universe, but you also can't prove that God didn't create the universe. So whatever you believe, you just take it on faith.
May 23, 2015
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Ramona-Carbona wrote:
well you see, chess is in books so you can study and remember it.
religion is in books, so you can study and remember them but if they point at something that's not in the books the lads come along and say "Ahdunbilivit!!" cos it's not in a book.
So they gets all intellectuals and think they is really really high IQ. nyuk nyuk nyuk.
Finally something sensible!
Here's a bit of weird reading: The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot
I won't say it's THE good book but it is A good book.
I love the notion that - An all-knowing, all-powerful being created the Universe and everything in it, exists outseide said Universe and its natural laws, but is somehow still prone to petty human emotions like fits of anger and jealousy. That this same being created a man from dirt and a woman from the dirt man's rib, that a talking snake then convinced dirt man and rib woman to eat an apple and that we are all rightfully damned because of that. That a virgin became pregnant by an incorporeal spirit and gave birth to a god man, who then had to be tortured to death to save us from the punishment we deserve because dirt man and rib woman ate an apple. Yet, somehow, I'm the crazy one for not buying into any of this.
EscherehcsE wrote:
I enjoyed reading "The Accidental Universe", by Alan Lightman. The main takeaway idea is that you can't prove that God created the universe, but you also can't prove that God didn't create the universe. So whatever you believe, you just take it on faith.
You also can't prove that there isn't an invisible giant space hamster orbiting the Sun between Saturn and Jupiter. You just take it on faith that there isn't.
Darth_Algar wrote:
I love the notion that - An all-knowing, all-powerful being created the Universe and everything in it, exists outseide said Universe and its natural laws, but is somehow still prone to petty human emotions like fits of anger and jealousy. That this same being created a man from dirt and a woman from the dirt man's rib, that a talking snake then convinced dirt man and rib woman to eat an apple and that we are all rightfully damned because of that. That a virgin became pregnant by an incorporeal spirit and gave birth to a god man, who then had to be tortured to death to save us from the punishment we deserve because dirt man and rib woman ate an apple. Yet, somehow, I'm the crazy one for not buying into any of this.
Science proved centuries that spontaneous generation doesn't exist and yet you believe in that fable. That's all athiests have left.
May 23, 2015
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Darth_Algar wrote:
EscherehcsE wrote:
I enjoyed reading "The Accidental Universe", by Alan Lightman. The main takeaway idea is that you can't prove that God created the universe, but you also can't prove that God didn't create the universe. So whatever you believe, you just take it on faith.
You also can't prove that there isn't an invisible giant space hamster orbiting the Sun between Saturn and Jupiter. You just take it on faith that there isn't.
Thanks for reinforcing my point. 
premio53 wrote:
Darth_Algar wrote:
I love the notion that - An all-knowing, all-powerful being created the Universe and everything in it, exists outseide said Universe and its natural laws, but is somehow still prone to petty human emotions like fits of anger and jealousy. That this same being created a man from dirt and a woman from the dirt man's rib, that a talking snake then convinced dirt man and rib woman to eat an apple and that we are all rightfully damned because of that. That a virgin became pregnant by an incorporeal spirit and gave birth to a god man, who then had to be tortured to death to save us from the punishment we deserve because dirt man and rib woman ate an apple. Yet, somehow, I'm the crazy one for not buying into any of this.
Science proved centuries that spontaneous generation doesn't exist and yet you believe in that fable. That's all athiests have left.
You don't even understand what spontaneous generation is do you? It's actually more like your dust man idea.
Darth_Algar wrote:
premio53 wrote:
Darth_Algar wrote:
I love the notion that - An all-knowing, all-powerful being created the Universe and everything in it, exists outseide said Universe and its natural laws, but is somehow still prone to petty human emotions like fits of anger and jealousy. That this same being created a man from dirt and a woman from the dirt man's rib, that a talking snake then convinced dirt man and rib woman to eat an apple and that we are all rightfully damned because of that. That a virgin became pregnant by an incorporeal spirit and gave birth to a god man, who then had to be tortured to death to save us from the punishment we deserve because dirt man and rib woman ate an apple. Yet, somehow, I'm the crazy one for not buying into any of this.
Science proved centuries that spontaneous generation doesn't exist and yet you believe in that fable. That's all athiests have left.
You don't even understand what spontaneous generation is do you? It's actually more like your dust man idea.
It doesn't take a Bobby Fischer IQ to know that life doesn't generate from dead matter.
premio53 wrote:
Darth_Algar wrote:
premio53 wrote:
Darth_Algar wrote:
I love the notion that - An all-knowing, all-powerful being created the Universe and everything in it, exists outseide said Universe and its natural laws, but is somehow still prone to petty human emotions like fits of anger and jealousy. That this same being created a man from dirt and a woman from the dirt man's rib, that a talking snake then convinced dirt man and rib woman to eat an apple and that we are all rightfully damned because of that. That a virgin became pregnant by an incorporeal spirit and gave birth to a god man, who then had to be tortured to death to save us from the punishment we deserve because dirt man and rib woman ate an apple. Yet, somehow, I'm the crazy one for not buying into any of this.
Science proved centuries that spontaneous generation doesn't exist and yet you believe in that fable. That's all athiests have left.
You don't even understand what spontaneous generation is do you? It's actually more like your dust man idea.
It doesn't take a Bobby Fischer IQ to know that life doesn't generate from dead matter.
No kidding huh? Good thing neither I nor any other athiest believes that.
well you see, chess is in books so you can study and remember it.
religion is in books, so you can study and remember them but if they point at something that's not in the books the lads come along and say "Ahdunbilivit!!" cos it's not in a book.
So they gets all intellectuals and think they is really really high IQ. nyuk nyuk nyuk.