Countries where chess are most popular?

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RomyGer

Please read post 40 in this forum, I don't know how to transfer my mentioned post from that other forum to this very forum, but it gives an answer to how many per population, and helps to form an idea about the popularity, albeit discutablel (as always)

We should also divide countries in separate groups, China/India/The States versus Vaticaan/Monaco, Liechtenstein ...

Who can transfer my TWO posts from that other forum to here ?  Thanks !

Benedictine

Hi Romy, I read that thread but I don't think it really helps with the question of where chess is the most popular. It shows which countries produce the most GMs, but like the poster in post 41 explains, it doesn't really show where chess is most popular across the general population.

NomadicKnight

India, Russia, U.S.A.

NomadicKnight

...or to be even more specific than saying simply "Russia"... Maybe I should say "any former Soviet state"?

WeisseSchachlade

It's a measure of how FANCY the country is. What's the fanciest country?

RomyGer

No, Benedictine, I just dis(as)sociate myself from the number of GM's, as I used the number of members of chess-dot-com and the total population. 

It gives an idea, not more.    

And at Sekenre : the question says "are" popular, so let us forget about the earlier days, although you are quite right ! 

@WeisseSchachlade : how would you measure that ?    I really fancy that new secretary.., you count who else...

WeisseSchachlade

I think Austria is prrretty fancy. There's lots of pianos living there rrright?

ChuckECheese
Balachandar wrote:

GMs per capita doesn't seem to be a useful way of finding the popularity of chess at all.

 

Chess is popular in India, especially in Tamil Nadu (where it's hugely popular compared to the rest of the country, mainly due to Anand, support and steps taken by the government and the state chess association, and a few years ago it became a complusory subject in school curriculum), but not that popular, if you consider how much percentage of the population knows chess. If you were to pick up ten people randomly, I could say eight wouldn't know the rules, and the rest two may know how to move the pieces. If you were to pick up a thousand people randomly, there's a chance that one or two can can play chess at a decent level (~1300).

Considering all these, I thought the per capita thingy would be a good way of measuring the popularity, but averages have their flaws and this is clearly visible in this list. Iceland has 12 GMs in a population of 3,25,010. That's 0.00369 %

If Vatican had one GM out of 500 odd population, it would be the country where chess is most popular, as 0.002 % of the population is a GM. That's why there are several countries above Russia, arugably the most popular chess playing country, in that list.

 

Maybe we've to make a weighted avegare list, where the absolute number of GMs are given a weight of 0.7 and the percentage of GMs 0.3. Just a random idea. 

I agree with what this guy is saying also.  While GM per capita is helpful, I don't believe it's completely reflective of how popular chess is in the general population.

 

Can the number of chess.com members per capita from each country be used to gauge popularity?  Do we even have those stats?  If you have an account on chess.com, it shows that you care enough about chess to sign up and knows how to play the game.

Irontiger
Chuckieman wrote:

Can the number of chess.com members per capita from each country be used to gauge popularity?  Do we even have those stats?  If you have an account on chess.com, it shows that you care enough about chess to sign up and knows how to play the game.

Though GM per capita is probably not a good measure, chess.com subscription is a particularly poor one as it is hugely correlated to internet equipment. In developped countries, a 1 Mb/s connection is available to most people, whereas it's still a luxury elsewhere.

Crazychessplaya

... and to fluency in English...

watcha

Fide registered players according to country:

http://ratings.fide.com/download/players_list_xml.zip  
Country Code Registered Players
IND 35394
FRA 35364
ESP 31947
RUS 28599
GER 27287
TUR 13217
POL 12187
GRE 11958
ITA 11919
IRI 10459
USA 10074
CZE 8390
HUN 8115
BRA 7533
SRB 6217
UKR 5725
SVK 5026
SRI 4940
COL 4926
NED 4886
BEL 4619
ARG 4603
DEN 4565
CRO 4547
AUT 4541
ROU 4506
ENG 3950
POR 3922
SUI 3177
SLO 3133
PER 2988
ECU 2742
VEN 2725
SWE 2711
MEX 2571
EGY 2551
BUL 2401
AUS 2380
CHI 2343
NOR 2207
CAN 2091
CUB 2062
PHI 1834
LTU 1804
MAS 1773
RSA 1746
SIN 1722
ISR 1627
GEO 1470
AZE 1457
BAN 1437
CHN 1414
DOM 1367
KAZ 1361
UAE 1344
VIE 1257
FIN 1223
ISL 1212
NEP 1130
BLR 1042
BIH 1041
BOT 980
IRQ 958
BOL 938
ARM 929
ALG 866
IRL 845
LAT 836
CRC 805
JOR 728
URU 677
UZB 647
ZAM 631
MDA 625
EST 612
MNE 592
SCO 544
ESA 544
INA 533
TUN 527
LBA 520
SYR 503
PUR 480
NZL 449
PAR 432
MKD 432
NCA 425
LUX 420
NGR 414
KOR 391
THA 386
TKM 370
TTO 366
WLS 358
ANG 344
LIB 329
CYP 312
BAR 302
MGL 276
HKG 268
MAR 265
KGZ 264
FAI 245
MYA 241
YEM 240
PAN 232
BRN 218
PLE 204
JAM 199
JPN 198
UGA 195
ALB 191
HON 184
MLT 172
ZIM 154
KSA 153
BRU 150
SUR 143
KEN 143
GUA 136
SUD 129
MTN 124
QAT 107
AHO 103
PAK 102
TJK 95
AND 92
AFG 91
TPE 84
KUW 84
BER 84
MAD 83
JCI 75
PLW 74
ARU 69
MNC 62
MAC 62
NAM 59
MDV 56
FIJ 55
ETH 55
BAH 54
GHA 48
GUY 41
MAW 39
TAN 36
MRI 30
GUM 28
GAM 28
SEY 26
ISV 23
MOZ 22
LAO 21
GCI 20
HAI 18
SOL 16
LES 16
PNG 14
LIE 14
SOM 13
RWA 13
STP 12
SMR 12
FID 11
SEN 9
MLI 9
BDI 9
SLE 7
TOG 6
IVB 5
CMR 5
CGO 5
CAM 3
Ind 2
GAB 2
SWZ 1
SAO 1
CIV 1
BHU 1
   
Total 410646
watcha

The above list was compiled using the official players list of Fide, discussed in the thread: FIDE rating distribution.

I used a perl script to extract nationality data from the downloadable XML file of Fide players list.

watcha

I tried to compile the three letter country codes into country names. But based on the ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 official three letter country code standard this can not be done because Fide seems to use non standard codes. For example the official code for Germany is 'DEU' and Fide uses 'GER', the official code for Greece is 'GRC' and Fide uses 'GRE', etc.

If anyone knows how to translate Fide three letter country codes into country names please let me know since it would be interesting to compile a per capita list of registered players in addition to titled players.

watcha
http://ratings.fide.com/download/players_list_xml.zip  
Country Code Registered Players
IND ( INDIA ) 35394
FRA ( FRANCE ) 35364
ESP ( SPAIN ) 31947
RUS ( RUSSIAN FEDERATION ) 28599
GER ( ) 27287
TUR ( TURKEY ) 13217
POL ( POLAND ) 12187
GRE ( ) 11958
ITA ( ITALY ) 11919
IRI ( ) 10459
USA ( UNITED STATES ) 10074
CZE ( CZECH REPUBLIC ) 8390
HUN ( HUNGARY ) 8115
BRA ( BRAZIL ) 7533
SRB ( SERBIA ) 6217
UKR ( UKRAINE ) 5725
SVK ( SLOVAKIA (Slovak Republic) ) 5026
SRI ( ) 4940
COL ( COLOMBIA ) 4926
NED ( ) 4886
BEL ( BELGIUM ) 4619
ARG ( ARGENTINA ) 4603
DEN ( ) 4565
CRO ( ) 4547
AUT ( AUSTRIA ) 4541
ROU ( ) 4506
ENG ( ) 3950
POR ( ) 3922
SUI ( ) 3177
SLO ( ) 3133
PER ( PERU ) 2988
ECU ( ECUADOR ) 2742
VEN ( VENEZUELA ) 2725
SWE ( SWEDEN ) 2711
MEX ( MEXICO ) 2571
EGY ( EGYPT ) 2551
BUL ( ) 2401
AUS ( AUSTRALIA ) 2380
CHI ( ) 2343
NOR ( NORWAY ) 2207
CAN ( CANADA ) 2091
CUB ( CUBA ) 2062
PHI ( ) 1834
LTU ( LITHUANIA ) 1804
MAS ( ) 1773
RSA ( ) 1746
SIN ( ) 1722
ISR ( ISRAEL ) 1627
GEO ( GEORGIA ) 1470
AZE ( AZERBAIJAN ) 1457
BAN ( ) 1437
CHN ( CHINA ) 1414
DOM ( DOMINICAN REPUBLIC ) 1367
KAZ ( KAZAKHSTAN ) 1361
UAE ( ) 1344
VIE ( ) 1257
FIN ( FINLAND ) 1223
ISL ( ICELAND ) 1212
NEP ( ) 1130
BLR ( BELARUS ) 1042
BIH ( BOSNIA AND HERZEGOWINA ) 1041
BOT ( ) 980
IRQ ( IRAQ ) 958
BOL ( BOLIVIA ) 938
ARM ( ARMENIA ) 929
ALG ( ) 866
IRL ( IRELAND ) 845
LAT ( ) 836
CRC ( ) 805
JOR ( JORDAN ) 728
URU ( ) 677
UZB ( UZBEKISTAN ) 647
ZAM ( ) 631
MDA ( MOLDOVA, REPUBLIC OF ) 625
EST ( ESTONIA ) 612
MNE ( MONTENEGRO ) 592
SCO ( ) 544
ESA ( ) 544
INA ( ) 533
TUN ( TUNISIA ) 527
LBA ( ) 520
SYR ( SYRIAN ARAB REPUBLIC ) 503
PUR ( ) 480
NZL ( NEW ZEALAND ) 449
PAR ( ) 432
MKD ( MACEDONIA ) 432
NCA ( ) 425
LUX ( LUXEMBOURG ) 420
NGR ( ) 414
KOR ( KOREA, REPUBLIC OF ) 391
THA ( THAILAND ) 386
TKM ( TURKMENISTAN ) 370
TTO ( TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO ) 366
WLS ( ) 358
ANG ( ) 344
LIB ( ) 329
CYP ( CYPRUS ) 312
BAR ( ) 302
MGL ( ) 276
HKG ( HONG KONG ) 268
MAR ( MOROCCO ) 265
KGZ ( KYRGYZSTAN ) 264
FAI ( ) 245
MYA ( ) 241
YEM ( YEMEN ) 240
PAN ( PANAMA ) 232
BRN ( BRUNEI DARUSSALAM ) 218
PLE ( ) 204
JAM ( JAMAICA ) 199
JPN ( JAPAN ) 198
UGA ( UGANDA ) 195
ALB ( ALBANIA ) 191
HON ( ) 184
MLT ( MALTA ) 172
ZIM ( ) 154
KSA ( ) 153
BRU ( ) 150
SUR ( SURINAME ) 143
KEN ( KENYA ) 143
GUA ( ) 136
SUD ( ) 129
MTN ( ) 124
QAT ( QATAR ) 107
AHO ( ) 103
PAK ( PAKISTAN ) 102
TJK ( TAJIKISTAN ) 95
AND ( ANDORRA ) 92
AFG ( AFGHANISTAN ) 91
TPE ( ) 84
KUW ( ) 84
BER ( ) 84
MAD ( ) 83
JCI ( ) 75
PLW ( PALAU ) 74
ARU ( ) 69
MNC ( ) 62
MAC ( MACAU ) 62
NAM ( NAMIBIA ) 59
MDV ( MALDIVES ) 56
FIJ ( ) 55
ETH ( ) 55
BAH ( ) 54
GHA ( GHANA ) 48
GUY ( GUYANA ) 41
MAW ( ) 39
TAN ( ) 36
MRI ( ) 30
GUM ( GUAM ) 28
GAM ( ) 28
SEY ( ) 26
ISV ( ) 23
MOZ ( MOZAMBIQUE ) 22
LAO ( LAOS  ) 21
GCI ( ) 20
HAI ( ) 18
SOL ( ) 16
LES ( ) 16
PNG ( PAPUA NEW GUINEA ) 14
LIE ( LIECHTENSTEIN ) 14
SOM ( SOMALIA ) 13
RWA ( RWANDA ) 13
STP ( SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE ) 12
SMR ( SAN MARINO ) 12
FID ( ) 11
SEN ( SENEGAL ) 9
MLI ( MALI ) 9
BDI ( BURUNDI ) 9
SLE ( SIERRA LEONE ) 7
TOG ( ) 6
IVB ( ) 5
CMR ( CAMEROON ) 5
CGO ( ) 5
CAM ( ) 3
Ind ( ) 2
GAB ( GABON ) 2
SWZ ( SWAZILAND ) 1
SAO ( ) 1
CIV ( COTE D'IVOIRE ) 1
BHU ( ) 1
   
Total 410646
watcha

In the above table ISO standard country codes are translated.

Benedictine

Great table. So if we were to cross-reference this with population (and account for economic factors) then we get a good idea of where chess is really popular with the general population. So the likes of France and Spain compare very favourably when you consider the population in relation to India for example.

NomadicKnight
ColonelKnight wrote:

This sentence is a grammar and diction disaster.

pulix wrote:

according to your grammar, i think the country with the most illiterate people, are the USA..

If this post was your idea of proper grammar and punctuation then I, for one, am glad you are not the ambassador. "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones" comes to mind. Study harder Tongue Out

ekorbdal

It has to be the Vatican City. Chess comes as second nature,  as scheming, plotting, tactics and manoeuvreing is a way of life there.

2mooroo
ekorbdal wrote:

It has to be the Vatican City. Chess comes as second nature,  as scheming, plotting, tactics and manoeuvreing is a way of life there.

macer75
fla2lens wrote:
Lou-for-you wrote:

Interesting list. The 10 best players of Macau have an average elo below 1700. I could become the best player of a country by moving there. But where is it??

what's more amazing is that there are 6 titled players.  so with another 4 players the average is 1671?  FIDE title should be a CM which is 2200+ (at some point) unless they were kids who got their FM (w/o the rating) via the olympiads or something.

Technically it's not a country. It's located on the Southern coast of China, and is a part of China.