D4 BETTER THAN E4?

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you can't tell which one is better, some people prefer the e4 and some others use the d4 just depending on their gameplay style, for me i am the type of an e4 player and mostly play the italian game because that's my style

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i just wanted to know about other good players, and i just get people literally making fun of me when i didn't say a single bad word to them and one more guy yelling 'TICCPROW'

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e4 opens up queen and bishop diagonals, d4 opens up bishop diagonal and queen orthogonal. e4 allows slightly faster castling. d4 stops e5, but e4 doesn't stop d5. sicilian (anti e4) is more potent than dutch (anti d4). Someone said stockfish said e4 at depth 50 with stockfish is +0,85, but that sets off red flags for me. Advantage gets lower in chess over time, not higher, tempo advantage of white for starting first is only like 1/3rd of a pawn, and every grandmaster says chess is a draw. If stockfish was truly convinced advantage increased with more depth, it wouldn't have such a high drawing rate against itself.

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enderman-77 wrote:

i just wanted to know about other good players, and i just get people literally making fun of me when i didn't say a single bad word to them and one more guy yelling 'TICCPROW'

TICCPROW

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sawdof wrote:
enderman-77 wrote:

i just wanted to know about other good players, and i just get people literally making fun of me when i didn't say a single bad word to them and one more guy yelling 'TICCPROW'

TICCPROW

This Is Crusty Cheese Packed Roughly One Week (ago)

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Will-Makeyoublunder wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Will-Makeyoublunder wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

But maybe 1. d4 is a far harder thing to play well because there's a lot of variations that look similar to one-another and ppl get confused. 1. e4 is vulnerable to the Sicilian with ...a6 and ...e6. Black targets the vulnerable e4 pawn, attacks it with pieces and the tries to play ...d5. If ed, black recaptures with a piece very often and the tables are turned. Black becomes dominant in the centre. All white might have is a Q side attack.

the spanish variatons also look similar, and can get confused easily. also, youre saying "is vulnerable" to the sicilian, even though the sicilian is just fine for white, maybe the open is harder to play because of the many variatons, but not the Rossolimo or closed sicilian. and black might dominate the center with pawns 2>1 but in a lot of sveshnikov variatons theres a knight on d5 from white, so just equal again

White can't hope for a win against someone playing the Sicilian who really knows what they're doing. Well, white can hope.

But basically, you admittsd that the Spanish, which is considered white's best try against 1. e5, is a total grind with confusing variations just like the Queens Gambit.

I was recounting my actual experience, My average wins with white were 55 moves. I needed quicker wins with white to have bigger chance of prize money. I switched to 1. d4 and found my wins coming in 35 moves or so. That's a practical test.

N.1, all i see you play is blitz, at 1600 well noted, 90+% of games at that level will have a decisive result no matter what. But ur "Moves to win" is ilegitimate, because maybe you failed to accurately convert an advantage, and then had to grind longer, etc etc, and then again, youre 1 person, thered need to be way more people to have an accurate result

I haven't played here for a long time except against bots. I play otb. Rapid for practice and otb classical controls. Used to play Daily and 960 here as well as rapid but stopped taking chedd.com ratings seriously years ago.

1600 is not my blitz strength but my blitz rating. Big difference. You don't know what I used blitz for. I think I'm a stronger player than you tbh.

EDIT By a very long way. Just looked at some of your games.

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magipi wrote:

Again, I don't think such statistics exist. I also don't think they would be relevant in any way. I also don't think they would show 1. e4 as fourth best.

Ok you don't think they exist.

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everyones talking about my blitz 500 rating while i have an 870 rating in bullet

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Bullet is not real chess until like 2k

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shashwatswarup wrote:
Bro I’m 10 and anyway 1300 rated in rapid… me don’t need to go to chesskid.com

Yes you do

Leave now

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Just_an_average_player136 wrote:

Bullet is not real chess until like 2k

yes

thats why i stopped playing while i reached 900

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So, you play 1.e4 and your rating is stuck at 524. That's bad.

Just switch to 1.d4, and your rating will climb up to 525 at virtually no time.

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Optimissed wrote:
Will-Makeyoublunder wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Will-Makeyoublunder wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

But maybe 1. d4 is a far harder thing to play well because there's a lot of variations that look similar to one-another and ppl get confused. 1. e4 is vulnerable to the Sicilian with ...a6 and ...e6. Black targets the vulnerable e4 pawn, attacks it with pieces and the tries to play ...d5. If ed, black recaptures with a piece very often and the tables are turned. Black becomes dominant in the centre. All white might have is a Q side attack.

the spanish variatons also look similar, and can get confused easily. also, youre saying "is vulnerable" to the sicilian, even though the sicilian is just fine for white, maybe the open is harder to play because of the many variatons, but not the Rossolimo or closed sicilian. and black might dominate the center with pawns 2>1 but in a lot of sveshnikov variatons theres a knight on d5 from white, so just equal again

White can't hope for a win against someone playing the Sicilian who really knows what they're doing. Well, white can hope.

But basically, you admittsd that the Spanish, which is considered white's best try against 1. e5, is a total grind with confusing variations just like the Queens Gambit.

I was recounting my actual experience, My average wins with white were 55 moves. I needed quicker wins with white to have bigger chance of prize money. I switched to 1. d4 and found my wins coming in 35 moves or so. That's a practical test.

N.1, all i see you play is blitz, at 1600 well noted, 90+% of games at that level will have a decisive result no matter what. But ur "Moves to win" is ilegitimate, because maybe you failed to accurately convert an advantage, and then had to grind longer, etc etc, and then again, youre 1 person, thered need to be way more people to have an accurate result

I haven't played here for a long time except against bots. I play otb. Rapid for practice and otb classical controls. Used to play Daily and 960 here as well as rapid but stopped taking chedd.com ratings seriously years ago.

1600 is not my blitz strength but my blitz rating. Big difference. You don't know what I used blitz for. I think I'm a stronger player than you tbh.

EDIT By a very long way. Just looked at some of your games.

Can we start an infinite quoting message with this one

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AN IM LITERALLY COMMENTED ON MY POST

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enderman-77 wrote:

AN IM LITERALLY COMMENTED ON MY POST

And told you that openings is the last thing you should care about.

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I feel like d4 is better
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ponsukeseal wrote:
pfren wrote:

So, you play 1.e4 and your rating is stuck at 524. That's bad.

Just switch to 1.d4, and your rating will climb up to 525 at virtually no time.

Wait a minute..

PONSUEKSEAL WTH

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e4 and d4 both are best i play catalan as my main but sometime e4 for fun i personally tried and tested both for me d4 is best as i am positional but for my tactical friends i advice them to play e4