D4 is better than E4 and C4 and its also whatever works best for you

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KentexplorerchessW

IF YOU THINK I SHOULD STUDY MORE FINE.

crazedrat1000

I don't think you should study more, and I don't think you should play the Najdorf. I think you should stop debating people about the sicilian until you do. Since to debate someone implies you know something, and in your case you are just barely getting started.

KentexplorerchessW

guess what my 1000 games against other players look like no book

crazedrat1000

Well if your opponents are never entering book there's nothing about 1. e4 that would stop you from getting an advantage, assuming you're able to capitalize on their mistakes. Which kind of dispenses with your argument against 1. e4.

I don't play 1. e4 though, I simply think it's too common. Not due to some objective problem with the positions that arise though. I did enjoy 1. e4 when I played it. The opponents just felt stronger / more reliable.

KentexplorerchessW

they don't play book the play good moves but then they play a move that makes and seems stupid but for some reason I don't know how to counter the innaccuracy. also why are you arguing with me if you agree with the topic where now talking about the Sicilian defense completely forgetting the topic its only the Sicilian that not the one opening in this topic.

crazedrat1000

The better question you should ask yourself is why are you arguing when you have no idea what you're talking about? I'm arguing with you because you're making incorrect statements. Clueless people debating and correcting others is never tolerated. 
The sicilian is the most challenging response to 1. e4. The caro-kann is not challenging, and the french can be reached from most openings... it's a pain but you wouldn't avoid 1. e4 on account of it. 
The e4/e5 lines can be challenging, but in e4/e5 white has some interesting options like the Vienna, and white has most of the choice in where the game goes. That's not the case with the sicilian. So when we talk about whites difficulties with 1. e4 the sicilian is the main line worth discussing.
Scandi is nothing, Alekhines and Nimzowitsch just transpose w/ the Vienna, Pirc / Modern are always playable for black...
Whether white likes 1. e4 comes down to the sicilian, and the familiarity issue. Sicilian is quite a pain but surmountable. Familiarity issue... that's a metagame issue. You're not making metagame arguments.

Sack_o_Potatoes

is this a joke? all three are equally playable

Sack_o_Potatoes
crazedrat1000 wrote:

The better question you should ask yourself is why are you arguing when you have no idea what you're talking about? I'm arguing with you because you're making incorrect statements. Clueless people debating and correcting others is never tolerated. 
The sicilian is the most challenging response to 1. e4. The caro-kann is not challenging, and the french can be reached from most openings... it's a pain but you wouldn't avoid 1. e4 on account of it. 
The e4/e5 lines can be challenging, but in e4/e5 white has some interesting options like the Vienna, and white has most of the choice in where the game goes. That's not the case with the sicilian. So when we talk about whites difficulties with 1. e4 the sicilian is the main line worth discussing.
Scandi is nothing, Alekhines and Nimzowitsch just transpose w/ the Vienna, Pirc / Modern are always playable for black...
Whether white likes 1. e4 comes down to the sicilian, and the familiarity issue. Sicilian is quite a pain but surmountable. Familiarity issue... that's a metagame issue. You're not making metagame arguments.

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KentexplorerchessW

Fine I guess you win but you agree with the topic so why argue with me when the argument isn't even the topic?

KentexplorerchessW

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Fiery_The_Dragon
Sack_o_Potatoes wrote:

is this a joke? all three are equally playable

Does it look like a joke?

Sack_o_Potatoes
Stik_Figure wrote:
Sack_o_Potatoes wrote:

is this a joke? all three are equally playable

Does it look like a joke?

good point considering people play the hippo

KentexplorerchessW
Magnus-Carlson-ME wrote:
KentexplorerchessW wrote:

This is the rating chart with the first moves that white might like from first to last advantage related placement


#1 D4 +0.33

#2 f3 +0.27

#3 E4 +0.25

#4 C4 +0.24

#5 G3 +0.18

#6 B3 -0.18

#7 F4 -0.22


so I turns out D4 is the best opening but E4 is actually the third best opening not even second the Reti opening is actually better then E4 Im doing the openings grandmasters actually think are ok or good


#1 D4

#2 F3

#3 E4

Best opening Queen's pawn opening second best opening Ret'i opening third best opening King's pawn opening

thats not how is was rated and f3 is a mistake. Its more like:

E4 and d4 both fighting for number one

E4 is Slightly better by the engine

D4 and Nf3 are pretty close but the engine slightly prefers d4 more

E4

D4

Nf3 Totally Fine too!

Are you depending on the inconsistent Stockfish 17 engine available on chess.com? Is it the least effective version, or are you utilizing the Cloud or Game Review features? It's crucial to understand that the Stockfish 17 engine on chess.com often falls short and makes questionable decisions. For example, in one game, a move was labeled as brilliant by Game Review, yet it suggested a bishop move instead. Stockfish 17 is actually weaker than Stockfish 16, and if you’re using Game Review or Cloud, you might be accessing the Stockfish from the official site. Stockfish 17 on chess.com shows limited strategic understanding. During my evaluation of intricate puzzles with a single brilliant solution, even the official version from occasionally struggled to identify the correct move. It frequently suggested plays that did not result in material advantage, while the exceptional puzzle I was working on necessitated a precise rook sacrifice that it overlooked. I’m not sure about the programming behind it, but it clearly has limitations. Stockfish 17 on chess.com is the only engine that doesn’t fully utilize its potential, which is why I prefer Torch 2—it’s the most powerful engine on chess.com that truly maximizes its capabilities.

KentexplorerchessW

Also Magnus-Carlson-ME I meant to say Nf3 is the second best not f3 nobody plays f3.

Ongipongi

e4: best by test

KentexplorerchessW
Ongipongi wrote:

e4: best by test

Can you present a solid argument? It seems you lack one, aside from the nonsensical comment you made. I, on the other hand, have a strong case. If you refer to my initial comment, you'll find several compelling points. The move D4 offers the greatest advantage and boasts a higher win rate compared to E4. Additionally, fewer players are familiar with D4, making it more challenging for Black to respond effectively. There are instances of the Jobava London that can confuse opponents, especially when compared to the Fried Liver variation. In the Fried Liver, playing D4 can lead to a favorable position, but in the Jobava London, that strategy doesn't apply. There are specific lines that can result in winning one, two, or even three pawns, ultimately transitioning into an endgame that secures a winning position.

AGC-Gambit_YT
wrote:

1. No one plays the Smith-Morra Gambit, one of the above openings.

2. White is favorable in the second opening, a bad Alapin for Black,

3. No one really plays the Exchange Variation of the Rudy Lopez.

oh boy oh boy, THE RUDY LOPEZ LES GO

AGC-Gambit_YT
wrote:
Ongipongi wrote:

e4: best by test

Can you present a solid argument? It seems you lack one, aside from the nonsensical comment you made. I, on the other hand, have a strong case. If you refer to my initial comment, you'll find several compelling points. The move D4 offers the greatest advantage and boasts a higher win rate compared to E4. Additionally, fewer players are familiar with D4, making it more challenging for Black to respond effectively. There are instances of the Jobava London that can confuse opponents, especially when compared to the Fried Liver variation. In the Fried Liver, playing D4 can lead to a favorable position, but in the Jobava London, that strategy doesn't apply. There are specific lines that can result in winning one, two, or even three pawns, ultimately transitioning into an endgame that secures a winning position.

maybe you just lack not using AI or yapping about the stupid Jobava

crystal0192

their both equal

AGC-Gambit_YT

Jobava sucks final