D4 is better than E4 and C4 and its also whatever works best for you

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Anything from -0.5 to +0.5 is still within the practical "draw" range.

<--- (-0.5) ----- (0.0) ----- (+0.5) --->

So any evals that fall along that line are virtually equal, due to the fact that they should, in theory, all fizzle out to a draw in the end, regardless.

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ya but its still nice to have that extra little peak of advantage in games

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KentexplorerchessW wrote:

ya but its still nice to have that extra little peak of advantage in games

not for a noob like you, it doesn't matter

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KentexplorerchessW wrote:

what engine do you have 0.25 advantage stockfish says about e4 and d4 0.33 advantage d4 stockfish 16 says this go to game reveiw

nope, ur prob stuck on stockfish 1.

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Im on stockfish 16 you cant change the game review stockfish

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BRO ITS A JOKE

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Why cant you use Stockfish 17 ?

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1. Nf3 seems to get the best results. Then 1. c4, then 1. d4, then 1. e4. 1e4 gives black a target.

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e4 comes with it's own set of traps too!

And the actually reasonable ones:

(I'm only showing what happens if you fall for it for this one)

Now white has almost full control of the center.

Same thing for this one.

And don't forget about c4.

All because c4 happened.

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Why does this have over 100 posts?
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Most of them are complete rubbish.

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I cant use stockfish 17 cuz 16 is more accurate

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Your_Local_Ravenclaw wrote:

e4 comes with it's own set of traps too!

And the actually reasonable ones:

(I'm only showing what happens if you fall for it for this one)

Now white has almost full control of the center.

Same thing for this one.

And don't forget about c4.

All because c4 happened.

you realize that these 5 random terrible traps give white a disadvantage and only 100-600 would fall for possibly almost every other player would never fall for them also every one of the traps you showed arent even book there just blunders the trap with the most advantage for white is the kings gambit still a disadvantage

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also c4 is not even in top 4 where are you getting c4 second place optomissed

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Your_Local_Ravenclaw wrote:

e4 comes with it's own set of traps too!

And the actually reasonable ones:

(I'm only showing what happens if you fall for it for this one)

Now white has almost full control of the center.

Same thing for this one.

And don't forget about c4.

All because c4 happened.

first one is not a trap, that is fool's mate, literally just black being a fool, not a trap.

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KentexplorerchessW wrote:

also c4 is not even in top 4 where are you getting c4 second place optomissed

I'm talking about reality, based on the results GMs get with the different openings. Your incorrect opinions are based on engine evaluations.

So which is better? An engine evaluation or real results?

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KentexplorerchessW wrote:

also c4 is not even in top 4 where are you getting c4 second place optomissed

it's a matter of taste lil' bro.

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Optimissed wrote:
KentexplorerchessW wrote:

also c4 is not even in top 4 where are you getting c4 second place optomissed

I'm talking about reality, based on the results GMs get with the different openings. Your incorrect opinions are based on engine evaluations.

So which is better? An engine evaluation or real results?

engine isn't everything as Levy says

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ok I found this website that is very accurate in stuff its https://www.365chess.com/analysis_board.php and when I look at the win rate it says d4 white 4% more often draws and 4% less losing equal to e4 win rate it doesn't tell advantage so that's the highest advantage to Chess.com stockfish 16 game review having an accurate representation d4 best move so I want to prove my point now and this is how I know Chess.com is innacurate but this is a more accurate website and it still says d4 is better its looks at every non analyisis board game ever played on all websites GM games don't matter none of us are GM's inless somehow even though this will never happen a GM randomly post something here it doesn't matter e4 is the best move for you great I just want to use fact on d4 is better even though if you played d4 you would probably lose cuz you don't know all the openings with d4 like me but I don't know how to use all the openings with e4 you should still play e4 if that's your favorite moves Im just trying to look at fact however the engine does say after it stops analyzing all the best moves in the starting position d4 advantage and e4 advantage equal so then its based of win rate by the way the engine gives half the advantage stockfish on Chess.com does Im looking at fact if you like e4 better play e4 its just fact Im saying

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also in the start when I did the exaggeration meme I would really rate these moves like this d4 is best e4 is exccelent and c4 is exccelent