Database Use is Unfair

Ziryab wrote:

Yaroslavl wrote:

DB users in correspondence chess can use DB as a learning tool. However, OTB players consider correspondence chess players ratings to be bogus. Correspondence Chess players might as well masturbate into a moist towel at home.

With my rating, I can buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks for $5. My humanities Ph.D. is almost as useful. 

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With a high enough rating OTB you can win local, state and national tournaments or be in the money for

2nd or 3rd place finishes. It's not much but it's a he'll of a lot more than a correspondence rating will ever get

you, which is trophies and nothing.

The rating does not win events. Winning games does. My OTB rating contributed nothing to my $250 prize for second place in the 2012 Collyer Memorial, nor to any lesser tournament prizes, nor to qualifying for my city championship three times.

With my OTB rating AND my prize money, I can but a cup of coffee at Starbucks for $5.

I kinda thought that  "1.P-KB3, if any, 2.KB2."  was obvious satire. But, maybe that's a little obscure.

I wasn't aware of the history that lead up to this forum. I saw the title and read it at face value and that was at the forefront of my reading what followed, and hence my confusion. 

Ziryab was a gentleman and took the time to write to me and  explain why he created this forum and apologised for his  "abrasive" words.

All is good, and we have both moved on.  

chess_kebabs, you are a lady and a scholar!

Thanks James. :) 

Thank you. I was a bit abrasive. You took it well.

Do you know that there are automatic computer software watching the games in this site, right?

What if you are just playing against a better player? There are thousands of better players than us that can crush us very fast.

What if you are just accusing innocent players of cheating? which are the options of that people? Let´s see:

1) If they resign his game, because they don´t want to deal with you because you were rude to them with your accusation, you will take it as a confession of guilty (by omission).

2) If they the continue the game and start playing badly because they don´t want to really analyze deep the game to avoid being accused again by you, you will take it like if they turn their engine off.

3) If they tell you that they are innocent: you will say "that´s what all cheaters say".

4) if they tell you that you are right, you will say: "I always knew it"

There´s no way out for your oponnent to look "clean" to you after you accuse him. And you just disturb his game experience.

If you think that somebody is cheating, just report him to staff.

Do you like to play against oponnents that make blunders?

Was?  If a kinder gentler Ziryab has appeared, I'm done reading the forums.

My wife tells me that I am a nice person, despite daily evidence to the contrary. Hundreds of school children who see me bring chessboards into their classrooms think that I am nice, too. Let's keep them ignorant of the truth.

I've made blunders because I was using the game explorer. Statistics can kick you in the butt if you don't understand the moves.

Yeah I made the mistake of copying Carlsen and after the following move considered resigning. If you turn off and don't calculate you can still blunder, there are mistakes in the games.

I've beaten a few 1700+ players in correspondence chess, without using databases. I played on intuition and also used the analyze board at times . And I've blundered against 1200-1400 rated players and lost, through rushed silly careless moves. I was crushing someone rated 250+ pts higher than me the other day in a CC game, and then I blundered and gave him my queen.  I now only have a 1 pt material advantage over him, but his experience might get him the win with getting positional advantage. He hasn't won yet, and by God I am going to fight him hard!

I blundered by putting my queen on his bishop's diagonal. I was too focused on the army I had swarming around his King that I carelessly took my eye off the other end of the board. 

Right now I remember getting lost positions 3 times by following lines recommended in books:

1st) From a Christopher Scheerer book 

2nd) From an Opening as Black according to Karpov

3rd) From an Opening as White according to Anand

By lost position I mean that the score according to chess programs were worse than 1.5 in absolute value, lost two of them and get one draw in a different bishops ending with one pawn less.

But in the cases of the Khaliffman books, the lines suggested (that I followed) were very long, one finished in the move 23 and the other in the 21.

Why do you use the analyze board!!! That´s like cheating, you are not allowed to do that on OTB, It´s almost like using an engine!!!

(I´m joking just in case)

I've shown this one before.

http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=74860318

Yeah, I know, you're right!  I was waiting for someone to say that. lol.

I use it because it's legal to use it, and my opponents are no doubt using it, especially the higher rated players I imagine. But I would be perfectly happy if the analyze board was taken away in rated games, and was only available in unrated games. The same as for databases. 

Ziryab wrSote:

Yaroslavl wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

Yaroslavl wrote:

DB users in correspondence chess can use DB as a learning tool. However, OTB players consider correspondence chess players ratings to be bogus. Correspondence Chess players might as well masturbate into a moist towel at home.

With my rating, I can buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks for $5. My humanities Ph.D. is almost as useful. 

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With a high enough rating OTB you can win local, state and national tournaments or be in the money for

2nd or 3rd place finishes. It's not much but it's a he'll of a lot more than a correspondence rating will ever get

you, which is trophies and nothing.

The rating does not win events. Winning games does. My OTB rating contributed nothing to my $250 prize for second place in the 2012 Collyer Memorial, nor to any lesser tournament prizes, nor to qualifying for my city championship three times.

With my OTB rating AND my prize money, I can but a cup of coffee at Starbucks for $5.

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Rating and chess skill level are very closely related, unless you are a correspondence chess player or play on websites like this one where chess engine use is pretty much unrestricted.

If you have an argument with that I will call for the rubber truck.