Currently, Deep Blue is split up into 2 parts: 1 part in IBM headquarters and 1 part in a museum in Washington DC. To be honest, I have no idea why they cannot just get the two parts together again and let it beat Rybka easily... :P
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Btw, is that position correct? Surely Rxb6 is an easy win...i think it may be black to move
razorblade12 wrote:
Btw, is that position correct? Surely Rxb6 is an easy win...i think it may be black to move
You are correct, it is black to move and draw, yet Kasparov resigned!! Not the most stellar moment of his career. 
In addition, I'm not sure Deep Blue would match up to current versions of Rybka.
FirebrandX wrote:
Nytik wrote:
razorblade12 wrote:
Btw, is that position correct? Surely Rxb6 is an easy win...i think it may be black to move
You are correct, it is black to move and draw, yet Kasparov resigned!! Not the most stellar moment of his career.
In addition, I'm not sure Deep Blue would match up to current versions of Rybka.
Still incorrect. Black cannot force the immediate draw, even though everyone at the time assumed he could. For more details and analysis. See my blog on the subject.
Ah, but did I mention immediate draw? (And I definitely didn't say perpetual. ) I am of the opinion that, with best play, the endgame you present in your blog will in fact be a draw.
FirebrandX wrote:
Nice try attempting to use semantics, but you were in fact thinking of the draw by perpetual when you said "black to play and draw". No such puzzle would include moves of an ambigious endgame (such as the one I posted in my blog) and claim "black to move and draw".
Of course, I was just being ridiculous. Nice find on the alternative to h4. I had always assumed the perpetual was proved at some point.
On a side note, I genuinely do believe that the endgame should be drawn. (If not in the final position, then beforehand.)
ZporeSuperMaster wrote:
It is understood that deep blue was shut down due to the fact that IBM was not happy with Kasparov's attitude, but not that he's retired, why won't they start up deep blue again
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Meanwhile, you can watch this game played between Deep Blue and Garry Kasparov:
SORRY EVERYBODY, IT IS BLACK TO MOVE
why did kasparov resigned?
Filipino_kid wrote:
ZporeSuperMaster wrote:
It is understood that deep blue was shut down due to the fact that IBM was not happy with Kasparov's attitude, but not that he's retired, why won't they start up deep blue again
? Please answer:
Meanwhile, you can watch this game played between Deep Blue and Garry Kasparov:
SORRY EVERYBODY, IT IS BLACK TO MOVE
why did kasparov resigned?
He resigned due to the fact that he was paranoid to be checkmated by a computer. This reflected his lack of effort in the rematch, and he kind of lost all of his effort after this game, and didn't play well for the rest of the match. He actually could have FORCED A DRAW!!! This was the second game. Thanks for asking that question, I even wondered that to! :)
FirebrandX wrote:
Nice try attempting to use semantics, but you were in fact thinking of the draw by perpetual when you said "black to move and draw". No such puzzle would include moves of an ambigious endgame (such as the one I posted in my blog) and claim "black to move and draw".
It's not a puzzle, it's just an interesting position from the game :)
FirebrandX wrote:
Nytik wrote:
razorblade12 wrote:
Btw, is that position correct? Surely Rxb6 is an easy win...i think it may be black to move
You are correct, it is black to move and draw, yet Kasparov resigned!! Not the most stellar moment of his career.
In addition, I'm not sure Deep Blue would match up to current versions of Rybka.
Still incorrect. Black cannot force the immediate draw, even though everyone at the time assumed he could. For more details and analysis, see my blog on the subject.
(Btw, Deep Rybka on a quadcore would destroy Deep Blue as it was originally designed. There's no question of that.)
Well, are you doubting Kasparov and a whole team of FIDE masters and officials, and not only that, but super computers analyzing the game. Surely they are correct that a draw could be forced? Thanks for the Comment though! :)
ZporeSuperMaster wrote:
Well, are you doubting Kasparov and a whole team of FIDE masters and officials, and not only that, but super computers analyzing the game. Surely they are correct that a draw could be forced? Thanks for the Comment though! :)
After having checked up on his blog, and doing some analysis myself just to make sure it wasn't nonsense, I concur with Firebrand's conclusion that there is no forced draw, and even if the game IS drawn, it will be incredibly hard to pull off, requiring complete precision for many moves, and ultimately drawing an endgame where Kasparov is material down.
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I would suggest to IBM that they make Deep Blue compatable to software on a PC or MAC. I think it would sell very well.
Also they could add analysis etc
I don't see the point in reviving Deep Blue. Aren't the evaluation algorithms used in modern analysis software much more refined?
While I agree in principle that today's versions of engines would trounce Deep Blue, I don't agree with the whole "everyone knows" deal. There are still gaping holes in the way software deals with moves close to the Horizon of Calculation (q.v.). Part of the reason that Deep Blue was so strong was because it ran on dedicated hardware. Much of its design was never made public, and some of IBM's motivation to dismantle it was probably partly because they never wanted the details to be known.
Nytik wrote:
ZporeSuperMaster wrote:
Well, are you doubting Kasparov and a whole team of FIDE masters and officials, and not only that, but super computers analyzing the game. Surely they are correct that a draw could be forced? Thanks for the Comment though! :)
After having checked up on his blog, and doing some analysis myself just to make sure it wasn't nonsense, I concur with Firebrand's conclusion that there is no forced draw, and even if the game IS drawn, it will be incredibly hard to pull off, requiring complete precision for many moves, and ultimately drawing an endgame where Kasparov is material down.
I understand that, and I respect that you're very knowledgeable on this topic, but based on many sources I've read, including seeing videos, I've been able to come up with the conclusion that Kasparov had extremely similar ideas to what the countless anylizers did, even extremely precise, (once again, other super-grandmasters, super-chess-computers, FIDE masters, and FIDE officials, and the general public anylized this game many times). I understand about how precise it would need to be, and thanks for the information. Here, check out this book, where I was most convinced about this position being a draw: "The 10 Most Common Chess Mistakes... and how to avoid them! Written by Larry Evens." Larry Evens was the youngest to capture the U.S's highest title, (besides Bobby Fischer of course), and he's beat countless world champions, and has very trustworthy chess books (he's written too many to count). Go to page 9. (sorry there's not like a high-tech internet link, but it's a cool book), so anyways, go to page 9. and you'll see the diagram above, if you read the whole section you'll see this! MOST IMPORTANT: The chess notation for the draw would be: 1...Qe3! 2.Qxd6 Re8 leading to a draw, one possible side variation would be 3...Qc1+;4.Kf2 Qd2+; 5. Be2 Qf4+; 6. Ke1 Qc1+; 7. Bd1 Qxc3 +!; 8.Kf1 Qc1 and perpetual check! Trust me I really know what I'm talking about, I'm an expert on this position, but the reason I posted the forum was to know about where deep blue is currently located, and/or if he's comming back!
One of the possible side variations!
It is understood that deep blue was shut down due to the fact that IBM was not happy with Kasparov's attitude, but not that he's retired, why won't they start up deep blue again
? Please answer:Meanwhile, you can watch this game played between Deep Blue and Garry Kasparov:
SORRY EVERYBODY, IT IS BLACK TO MOVE