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llama

Yeah, it would probably be better to remove all living or active players (but you can keep former world champs on the list like Kasparov, Kramnik, and Anand).

But if you are going to include living / active players, then Naka probably shouldn't be on the list at all.

You can replace him with great players of the past.

iforgotmyusename

I just watched the first couple of minutes and I'm speechless

nklristic
llama wrote:

Yeah, it would probably be better to remove all living or active players (but you can keep former world champs on the list like Kasparov, Kramnik, and Anand).

But if you are going to include living / active players, then Naka probably shouldn't be on the list at all.

You can replace him with great players of the past.

I wanted to remove Caruana from the list with the same reasoning as you had in your post, but decided against it because he will most likely deserve to be on the list when he ends his career, so I didn't want to complicate  my post too much. happy.png

NikkiLikeChikki
Last time I saw a llama this mad, it started spitting. Bring an umbrella, Nakapookie!
2Ke21-0

Suppose the off-chance possibility that respectable players collectively agree that Nakamura is indeed a stronger chess player than Caruana. I still think that it is wrong to ask a popular International Master to rank you as a "god of chess" and simply agree with him when he gives you the opportunity to object.

I vaguely remember once watching an American football video where Joe Montana didn't even rank himself among the top 5 quarterbacks in history. That is humbleness. What Hikaru did is not.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge fan of Hikaru. His Youtube videos are great. He's a genius and sparked tons on interest chess and new arrivals to the game with his Twitch and Youtube presence. But as it has quite a few times before, his ego got ahead of him here. 

sndeww

the chat was going bonkers, saying "no no no no" and "weird flex weird flex". Mixed reactions I suppose.

UWillResignYesUWill

At around 52:35 in the video, Hikaru humbly puts himself from the tier of "God of chess" to "Legends" if anyone didn't notice. I think everyone in this forum can agree that's a reasonable place to put himself

NikkiLikeChikki
Nah. I think of legends as those who have come just short of world champion. Nakapookie hasn’t even sniffed that sort of rarified air. If we lower legend to his level, then we’d have to include a dozen or more players on the tour to that level. He’s like the dude in the hall of fame that you pass by and your kid asks, who’s that? And you’re like, some dude who was popular in his time but never won anything big. And the kid says “oh,” and you move onto the next person. He won’t much be remembered in fifty years.
AthenaTheChessCub

I just noticed, hikaru wasn't online for more than 24 hours, maybe he is ashamed and decided to quit chess.com?

Who would miss watching his bliz games? 

If it's you then you probably think he is a pro, which he sorta is, but less that he is a show off sad.png

He is a super gm in standard, admit it, alse he is a super pro at showing off. 

 

UWillResignYesUWill
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
Nah. I think of legends as those who have come just short of world champion. Nakapookie hasn’t even sniffed that sort of rarified air. If we lower legend to his level, then we’d have to include a dozen or more players on the tour to that level. He’s like the dude in the hall of fame that you pass by and your kid asks, who’s that? And you’re like, some dude who was popular in his time but never won anything big. And the kid says “oh,” and you move onto the next person. He won’t much be remembered in fifty years.

I mean, considering that online chess is the future, and considering Naka is the most dominant online chess player to date, I doubt that.

UWillResignYesUWill

@hikaru

AthenaTheChessCub

Did ANYONE watch to the moment where hikaru moved himself to legend? 

It's around 52:20

UWillResignYesUWill

Yea i mentioned that

UWillResignYesUWill
UWillResignYesUWill wrote:

At around 52:35 in the video, Hikaru humbly puts himself from the tier of "God of chess" to "Legends" if anyone didn't notice. I think everyone in this forum can agree that's a reasonable place to put himself

 

NikkiLikeChikki
You’re assuming online is going to replace OTB. Still unclear. He hasn’t won anything major since winning the bullet championship in 2019. He lost to Magnus in Grand chess. Lost to Grischuk in the FIDE Grand Prix. He lost to Magnus in the Magnus invitational and came in third this past week and showed poorly until blitz. He didn’t qualify for the candidate’s. At best he’s Grischuk level and really he’s only great at blitz. What am I missing? Oh wait. Tied with Magnus in 960. Woohoo.
Redgreenorangeyellow
1g31-O wrote:

Hikaru is incredibly arrogant imo. You can just tell from his recent game where he Bongclouded against GM Jeffrey Xiong.

I don't think he was trying to be disrespectful to Xiong in particular. However, I think that him going for the bongcloud was an obvious attempt for him to gain popularity and controversy. 

llama
UWillResignYesUWill wrote:

At around 52:35 in the video, Hikaru humbly puts himself from the tier of "God of chess" to "Legends" if anyone didn't notice. I think everyone in this forum can agree that's a reasonable place to put himself

Why? He crossed 2800 briefly, peaked at #2, and went to one candidates tournament.

Other players that aren't on the list have done that. As someone mentioned here, Mamedyarov did exactly those things... and finished better in his Candidates tournament than Naka did.

Mamedyarov's peak rating is > Nakamura's peak rating too.

So surely Mamedyarov is a legend too?

lol

williamjackson777

Hoping blitz and rapid replace classical

llama
UWillResignYesUWill wrote:
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
Nah. I think of legends as those who have come just short of world champion. Nakapookie hasn’t even sniffed that sort of rarified air. If we lower legend to his level, then we’d have to include a dozen or more players on the tour to that level. He’s like the dude in the hall of fame that you pass by and your kid asks, who’s that? And you’re like, some dude who was popular in his time but never won anything big. And the kid says “oh,” and you move onto the next person. He won’t much be remembered in fifty years.

I mean, considering that online chess is the future, and considering Naka is the most dominant online chess player to date, I doubt that.

Most dominant online player?

Cough cough* he recently lost in the finals to Carlsen cough cough*

Sure it was in armageddon and so Naka proved once again that the only question about his speed chess rank is whether it's #1 or #2.

But dominant? Above who? Carlsen doesn't play on chess.com.

llama
AthenaTheChessCub wrote:

Did ANYONE watch to the moment where hikaru moved himself to legend? 

It's around 52:20

My OP doesn't mention God of Chess rank. It mentions his comments about how he was a serious world champ contender (he wasn't), and rating himself above Caruana, which is ridiculous.

I know he wants to substitute Twitch followers for rating points, but then as I said, why isn't xQc ranked up there with Anand?

In other words he surreptitiously (and rather shamelessly) chose the criteria which were most favorable to himself.

Caruana played in the world championship match and was in the press e.g. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/sports/bobby-fischer-chess-caruana.html

But the New York Times isn't Twitter is it? So Naka rates himself higher.