Do players outside the United States think Bobby Fischer wasn't actually that good?

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jeffnc
Reb wrote:

Did Fischer ever complain about anyone referring to him as " Bobby " ?  If he ever did I am unaware of it and if it didnt bother him it certainly shouldnt bother anyone else . It is common practice in the US to refer to someone named Robert as  Bob or Bobby . 

Why do we even have to waste our time on such silly questions?  Of course he has always been referred to as Bobby in the US.


Another similarity between Tiger Woods and Bobby Fischer - Tiger Woods real name is Eldrick Tont Woods.  And yet the entire world knows him as Tiger Woods, and no, this does not bother or insult him.

 

Believe me, if Bobby Fischer at any time ever was in the slightest bothered by anyone using the name Bobby to refer to him, we would have heard about it in the most adamanent terms long before now.  He was extremely touchy and finicky, in case people weren't aware!

 

By the way, Tiger's name is a differnt style of nickname.  Fischer's style of nickname is extremely common in the US.  It's a combination of contraction/diminutive.  Contraction is making shorter, diminutive is sort of like calling something "little", which in this context is a term of endearment (a good thing) as if referring to a loved youngster.  For example, in Spanish speaking countries, the diminutive would be adding "ito", such as "Pablito" meaning little Pablo.  In the US we do that by changing Jim to Jimmy, Bob to Bobby, Sam to Sammy, etc.  But first it starts with the contraction.  James becomes Jim, Samuel becomes Sam, etc.  Robert can go to either Bob or Rob.

 

So before we can nickname someone, we usually need to know their preference.  It's typical for most names to go by the contraction.  My name is Jeffrey, and I go by Jeff.  Jeffrey sounds silly to some people.  However it's pretty common for homosexuals to prefer their full name.  Sometimes heterosexuals prefer it too of course, but I'm saying it's just a tendency.  It's more common for a gay Jonathan or Kenneth to prefer Jonathan or Kenneth whereas most people with those names would prefer to go by Jon or Ken, or sometimes Jonny or Kenny.  Not always, just a tendency.  Another tendency is when people like to give the impression that they're more important or more formal, they will use their full name, and include their middle name or middle initial.  If someone introduces themselves to me as Kenneth, I think he might be gay.  If he introduces himself as Kenneth T. Johnson, I think he might be a doctor or lawyer and is trying to impress people.


If I meet someone for the first time and all I know is their first name, such as Robert (for example from some document I read), the first thing I would do is ask them "Do you go by Robert or Rob or Bob?"  Then whatever they say is what I use.  I wouldn't assume they go by Robert, I'd assume it's something else but I'd ask first.

Supdok

seems to be answering the wrong person to boot.

Trojasnstrike
mcris wrote:

Really? Why not name the book in which your claim appears? Maybe because as I said, it is false?

What really.believe me or *** ur self as I said.What a nuisance!

Trojasnstrike

The book is written by a GM.his icc username OM.

jeffnc
Supdok wrote:

seems to be answering the wrong person to boot.

I was responding to Reb and agreeing with him, without pointing out a specific person to disagree with.  Really, that wasn't intuitively obvious?  Maybe not, so I'm specifically replying to you now, FYI.


And since you implied you agreed with the patronizing and "homophobic" comments - first of all, anyone who thinks the nickname "Bobby" is insulting to Fischer way beyond being patronized.  And as far as homophobic is concerned, well lol, get real.

mcris
Trojasnstrike wrote:

The book is written by a GM.his icc username OM.

GM OM from icc? Gimme a break!

Pulpofeira

Only my mother keeps calling me Daniel. And my wife when she's about to scold me.

jeffnc

Yeah, so my post was a little over the top facetious.  I assume whoever thinks Fischer shouldn't be called Bobby is either an idiot American, or not from the US.  Either way the situation is explained, can we go back to a conversation worth having now?

SmyslovFan

GM Om is Yasser Seirawan.

mcris
SmyslovFan wrote:

GM Om is Yasser Seirawan.

1. Yasser Seirawan was born in 1960 (Syrian father)

2. Bobby Fischer was a jew, right?

jeffnc
mcris wrote:

2. Bobby Fischer was a jew, right?

Depends what you mean.  Clearly, he didn't think of himself as that, so if you mean religion, then no, obviously not.  If you mean heritage, then his mother had Jewish parents (which he either didn't know about or tried to forget).  There's also evidence that his biological father was someone other than his mother's husband, and the alleged bio father was also Jewish.  I don't think Bobby could have known anything about that.  So the anti-Semitism is ironic from that perspective.

mcris

Yes, but Yasser Seirawan knows.

Reb

It depends on the definition of who/what a jew is . Is it about race and/or religion ? I have been told contradicting things . If Jews are a race Fischer was jewish since his mother was . If its about their religion , Judaism , then I suppose he isnt since he never practiced Judais from what I have read . However , there are jews that claim to be atheists ... who knows ? 

SmyslovFan

Yes, Jews are a race, yes, Judaism is a religion. Fischer's anti-Semitism was both racial and religious.

mudgrudfud

I think Bobby Fisher made chess to what it is today.  So many people were inspired by him and learned a lot from him.  Sure he had issues but take that away and he still would be one of the top players.

Supdok

no, engines made chess what it is today. it was only in 1992 that we had a brief look at how entertaining chess could be. once bobby tried to show anand how to play good human chess but vishy kept going "b-b-b-but bobby these engines are really strong".

gspaulsson

BF tore up the field, but the knock on him is that he didn't defend his title. A bit like Morphy that way. I suppose having proved his point and made his million, he wasn't into the game any more. He didn't like playing against the Soviet machine, and he thought that too much theory had taken the creativity out of the game. He wouldn't have liked the era of chess engines either, and maybe didn't have the temperament to reach today's standards. 

Supdok

it's strange that people have difficulty living with the fact that fischer chose only to play boris in 1992 after the 72 match. always found it weird why people needed to judge him or think they know why instead of just living with the fact and appreciating the good games he played.

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Supdok wrote:

it's strange that people have difficulty living with the fact that fischer chose only to play boris in 1992 after the 72 match. always found it weird why people needed to judge him or think they know why instead of just living with the fact and appreciating the good games he played.

Considering the circumstances it would be bizarre if no one were to speculate. It's not judging to speculate.

Supdok

I was talking about judgements, not speculations. you know the difference apparently.