Do players outside the United States think Bobby Fischer wasn't actually that good? - Chess Forums - Page 36

RenegadeChessist · 2016-11-17T13:36:43-08:00

This question stems from a conversation I had recently. I know this guy who is originally from Lithuania and who plays some chess and we were talking about different players from history. Eventually we got around to Bobby Fischer and he said, "You know, the truth is that Bobby Fischer wasn

The_Ghostess_Lola

Dec 13, 2016

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#701

Well, what good am I here if I can't try to make ppl laff ?

(....and I'm not very good at that either.... )

Justs99171

Dec 13, 2016

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#702

Reb wrote:

Kasparov couldnt win a single game in his match against Kramnik and he had an 80 point rating advantage . Noone would ever shut Fischer out in a match like that , and Kasparov was in his 30s in that match .

Kasparov was going through a divorce during his preparation time for that match. Fischer quit playing chess because he couldn't get a piece without soliciting a street corner. It takes incredible ignorance to make the comparison that you just didnt AND see Fischer on top. Kasparov was a professional where as Fischer was a baby.

Q: Wonder how Fischer would have performed during a divorce?

A: Fischer wouldn't have played.

Justs99171

Dec 13, 2016

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#703

Reb wrote:

Kasparov couldnt win a single game in his match against Kramnik and he had an 80 point rating advantage . Noone would ever shut Fischer out in a match like that , and Kasparov was in his 30s in that match .

Maybe if Fischer had played in 8 world chess championship matches, he would have been held without a win in one of them. Just another asinine comparison to favor Fischer.

Justs99171

Dec 13, 2016

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#704

Reb wrote:

Kasparov couldnt win a single game in his match against Kramnik and he had an 80 point rating advantage . Noone would ever shut Fischer out in a match like that , and Kasparov was in his 30s in that match .

At least Kasparov had the balls to play Karpov.

Justs99171

Dec 13, 2016

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#705

Reb wrote:

Kasparov couldnt win a single game in his match against Kramnik and he had an 80 point rating advantage . Noone would ever shut Fischer out in a match like that , and Kasparov was in his 30s in that match .

Calling Fischer the best ever requires selective criteria in which another player was always better. Mostly this opinion is based on his peak - winning those two matches 6 - 0 and then going on to beat both Petrosian and Spassky by big margins. He had that 20 game win streak or something like some where in there. The problem is, other players had longer win streaks. Other players had longer non-losing streaks. Other players had better performance ratings. Karpov's win at Linares in 1994 was more impressive than any single moment in Fischer's career, so why do Fischer fans discard it?

jambyvedar

Dec 13, 2016

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#706

Justs99171 wrote:

Reb wrote:

Kasparov couldnt win a single game in his match against Kramnik and he had an 80 point rating advantage . Noone would ever shut Fischer out in a match like that , and Kasparov was in his 30s in that match .

Calling Fischer the best ever requires selective criteria in which another player was always better. Mostly this opinion is based on his peak - winning those two matches 6 - 0 and then going on to beat both Petrosian and Spassky by big margins. He had that 20 game win streak or something like some where in there. The problem is, other players had longer win streaks. Other players had longer non-losing streaks. Other players had better performance ratings. Karpov's win at Linares in 1994 was more impressive than any single moment in Fischer's career, so why do Fischer fans discard it?

Good points. Heck Capa lost once in 10 years, Steinitz has 25 win streak against his fellow masters etc.

Justs99171

Dec 13, 2016

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The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

You're making these ultrabroad claims & I'm only looking at one match. I find you very unfair (as I always have).

You wait 'til I get to the Bent Larsen Match in Denver 1971....& how they gurneyed him off too !....You didn't know that did you ?

Bee, I know you're a hellarabid BF fan. And that's okay. But try to see him objectively, okay ?....and not as an oldtime Fischer Boom holdover who can't let go of his own made up homage that he was omnipotently invincible.

I mean, somebody make a statue of him in the US....then get mouthy !

We should have a statue of Fischer, huh? But why not Morphy, also?

mcris

Dec 13, 2016

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#708

Justs99171 wrote:

Reb wrote:

Kasparov couldnt win a single game in his match against Kramnik and he had an 80 point rating advantage . Noone would ever shut Fischer out in a match like that , and Kasparov was in his 30s in that match .

At least Kasparov had the balls to play Karpov.

I agree this thread is long (and others about Fischer) but is nonsensical to post such oppinion without knowing was was posted about K-K games (USSR internal affair, fixed according with Fischer's 1 1/2 years analysis etc.).

Pulpofeira

Dec 14, 2016

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#709

The only certain thing is the pulpo a feira is the best meal on the world, and reb is well aware of it.

SAGM001

Dec 14, 2016

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#710

:/

Eseles

Dec 14, 2016

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#711

Pulpofeira wrote:

The only certain thing is the pulpo a feira is the best meal on the world, and reb is well aware of it.

y cachelos and red wine !! o.0 omg that's what your name means !!

Pulpofeira

Dec 14, 2016

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#712

Wheeeee! I'll have a Ribeiro though.

Eseles

Dec 14, 2016

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#713

Pulpofeira wrote:

Wheeeee! I'll have a Ribeiro though.

cheers!

i had beef souvlaki and fava https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicia_faba

Eseles

Dec 14, 2016

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#714

I'll have my Bobby Steamed Fischer

with french fries

greek salad and

Magnus beer

coolderp11

Dec 14, 2016

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#715

BF is a good chess player but not the best

SmyslovFan

Dec 14, 2016

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#716

Kasparov was world champion for 15 years. He faced the best opponents possible. Lasker held the title for longer, but hand-picked his opponents and avoided the best players after WWI.

We were lucky that Kasparov and Karpov played each other so many times. They were two of the best players of all time. To criticize Kasparov for not being farther ahead of Karpov than Fischer was ahead of his rivals is to miss the point. In July 1994, Karpov was the best player the world had ever seen, except for the one guy who was ahead of him in the rating table.

ebolakitty

Dec 14, 2016

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#717

Best ever? Hard to say. His climb to the title was unprecedented an unequaled since. On the other hand, Karpov was just the kind of player that could have taken him down. Not saying Karpov would have definitely beaten BF but he alone had a decent chance and for many years.

If we plucked BF from his grave and gave him his 29 year old mind and body and matched him against Magnus, he would lose. If we gave him two years to play and prepare then toss up.

I like to think that Kasparov would have handled Fischer easily. That is just because I get more out of Kasparov games for myself and don't really get much from Fischer's but I'm not fool enough to make a firm declaration.

mcris

Dec 14, 2016

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#718

Yes, many of you are posting what you like to think. I can't fight that and that you are ignoring facts I already posted.

prosperov

Dec 15, 2016

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#719

I think thinking of a Fischer vs Kasparov match is taking things too far. Fischer was a dominant world champ fair and fine, is he the greatest ever and again the answer is No. Before we think of a Fischer Kasparov match, waas he going to beat Ivanchuk. Imagine Fischer vs Ivanchuk, Fischer vs Annd, Fischer vs Kraminnik, with his 29 year old brain. Wont waste anymore space with Adams, Nigel Short, Grischuk,Giri etc He would not have taken out any of those guys with his 29 year old brain.

mcris

Dec 15, 2016

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#720

That is only your oppinion.