Do USCF tournaments conform to FIDE requirement?

Sort:
Crabby_Fischer

The reason I'm asking is because I cant figure out what exactly needs to be done for an American to become an FM. I do understand that to become an FM you must achieve an FIDE rating of 2300, but it's not that simple for Americans. We don't get FIDE ratings. We get USCF ratings.

If you're in Europe, it makes more sense. You just join a chess club that submits results to FIDE and you earn a title when your performance is high enough.

But what about Americans who are USCF?

What happens if you achieve USCF 2300 and you've only played in USCF events? Does this person only get the USCF Life Master (LM) title? Or do USCF tournaments conform to FIDE, so that this person can get the FM title when the USCF submits their performance to FIDE?

If you notice at Chess.com, there aren't any LM's. I assume this is because most, if not all LM's actually end up with the FM title. Both LM and FM must hit 2300.

How do Americans get the title if they've spent their life in USCF?

Martin_Stahl
Crabby_Fischer wrote:

The reason I'm asking is because I cant figure out what exactly needs to be done for an American to become an FM. I do understand that to become an FM you must achieve an FIDE rating of 2300, but it's not that simple for Americans. We don't get FIDE ratings. We get USCF ratings.

If you're in Europe, it makes more sense. You just join a chess club that submits results to FIDE and you earn a title when your performance is high enough.

But what about Americans who are USCF?

What happens if you achieve USCF 2300 and you've only played in USCF events? Does this person only get the USCF Life Master (LM) title? Or do USCF tournaments conform to FIDE, so that this person can get the FM title when the USCF submits their performance to FIDE?

If you notice at Chess.com, there aren't any LM's. I assume this is because most, if not all LM's actually end up with the FM title. Both LM and FM must hit 2300.

How do Americans get the title if they've spent their life in USCF?

 

The requirement to become an FM is to get a 2300 FIDE rating by playing FIDE rated events. A number of larger events in the US are FIDE and US Chess rated. For US Chess, Life Masters are still just NMs here, unless they have a higher FIDE title.

Crabby_Fischer
Martin_Stahl wrote
The requirement to become an FM is to get a 2300 FIDE rating by playing FIDE rated events. A number of larger events in the US are FIDE and US Chess rated. For US Chess, Life Masters are still just NMs here, unless they have a higher FIDE title. "

 

So, the smaller events at local chess clubs only conform to USCF and not FIDE then?

You must play in larger events that conform to both?

Martin_Stahl
Crabby_Fischer wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote
The requirement to become an FM is to get a 2300 FIDE rating by playing FIDE rated events. A number of larger events in the US are FIDE and US Chess rated. For US Chess, Life Masters are still just NMs here, unless they have a higher FIDE title. "

 

So, the smaller events at local chess clubs only conform to USCF and not FIDE then?

You must play in larger events that conform to both?

 

You just have to play FIDE rated events. It's just that normally only larger events end up being rated under both. It costs more to rate such events and requires higher level directors to run them. It's possible for smaller events can be FIDE rated, just unlikely.

Crabby_Fischer
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Crabby_Fischer wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote
The requirement to become an FM is to get a 2300 FIDE rating by playing FIDE rated events. A number of larger events in the US are FIDE and US Chess rated. For US Chess, Life Masters are still just NMs here, unless they have a higher FIDE title. "

 

So, the smaller events at local chess clubs only conform to USCF and not FIDE then?

You must play in larger events that conform to both?

 

You just have to play FIDE rated events. It's just that normally only larger events end up being rated under both. It costs more to rate such events and requires higher level directors to run them. It's possible for smaller events can be FIDE rated, just unlikely.

I see. So it could take a long time to get FM. FIDE rated events aren't too common for an American I suppose.

So why no LM's at chess.com?

OldPatzerMike

The tournament listings on the USCF site will clearly state if an event is FIDE rated. As @Martin_Stahl says, it's usually only larger events that will be FIDE rated, though many large events aren't. You just have to check the listings to find out about a particular tournament. Best wishes for your success in the USCF and FIDE!

brianchesscake

Most players who are under 2000 USCF do not get a FIDE rating at all. In many large open events, the top 2 or 3 sections will qualify to be FIDE rated, and so generally players who are over 2000 USCF also have a FIDE rating.

Martin_Stahl
Crabby_Fischer wrote:

I see. So it could take a long time to get FM. FIDE rated events aren't too common for an American I suppose.

So why no LM's at chess.com?

 

Life Master is just a special designation of a type of NM. The site just recognizes countries that have NM titles and FIDE titles.

 

If you are willing to travel in the US, and are strong enough, you should be able to find a sufficient number of tournaments to get a FIDE rating. Though you should chose areas where there are a sufficient number of players likely to already have established FIDE ratings, since only games against those players will count towards your rating. 

 

I've played in a FIDE rated blitz event and one regular rated event. I don't have a FIDE rating since most of my opponents didn't have established ratings.

Crabby_Fischer
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Crabby_Fischer wrote:

I see. So it could take a long time to get FM. FIDE rated events aren't too common for an American I suppose.

So why no LM's at chess.com?

 

Life Master is just a special designation of a type of NM. The site just recognizes countries that have NM titles and FIDE titles. "

 

 

 

Do they give the LM title when you reach 2300, or do you have to play the 300 games above 2200?

 

Deranged

You're lucky that this site recognises the NM title at all.

In my country, there are no national titles. If you want a title then you need 2200 FIDE rating for the CM title. And 2200 FIDE is generally considered more difficult to attain than 2200 USCF.

And yeah, all the big events are both FIDE rated and national rated. It's the small events that are only rated nationally. But if you're good enough to reach 2200 FIDE rating, you'll be playing in the bigger events anyway, so that won't be much of an obstacle for you.

tygxc

#1
Here are the full regulations
https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/FIDE%20Title%20Regulations%202022.pdf

So yes you have to play in FIDE events according to the FIDE Laws of Chess.
But yes, there are FIDE events in the USA:
https://www.fide.com/calendar?filter=filter%5Bdate_start_years%5D%3D2022%26filter%5Bworld_champion%5D%3Dfalse%26filter%5Bclosest_events%5D%3Dtrue%26filter%5Bcategory%5D%3D3%26 

Pulpofeira

Here virtually all events count for both ratings, national (FEDA) and FIDE, and, to be honest, no one cares about the former. 

Martin_Stahl
Crabby_Fischer wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Crabby_Fischer wrote:

I see. So it could take a long time to get FM. FIDE rated events aren't too common for an American I suppose.

So why no LM's at chess.com?

 

Life Master is just a special designation of a type of NM. The site just recognizes countries that have NM titles and FIDE titles. "

 

 

 

Do they give the LM title when you reach 2300, or do you have to play the 300 games above 2200?

 

 

I'd have to look it up, but I think it's based on 300 games at or above  2200.