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miskit_mistake
Cobra2721 wrote:

I recently had a game where I mouse slipped and blundered my queen, so I offered a draw and wrote in the game chat that it was a mouse slip. My opponent declined the draw so I resigned. Is that bad sportsmanship from him? Or is it considered perfectly OK to decline? 

And your profile reads:

"Strike first. Strike hard. No mercy."

Is that you kreese?

legotbm
Cobra2721 wrote:

I recently had a game where I mouse slipped and blundered my queen, so I offered a draw and wrote in the game chat that it was a mouse slip. My opponent declined the draw so I resigned. Is that bad sportsmanship from him? Or is it considered perfectly OK to decline? 

Usually, It's normal to decline. HOWEVER, I, personally would accept because I've mouse slipped many times in USCF rated tournaments and lost the games.

InsertInterestingNameHere
miskit_mistake wrote:
Cobra2721 wrote:

I recently had a game where I mouse slipped and blundered my queen, so I offered a draw and wrote in the game chat that it was a mouse slip. My opponent declined the draw so I resigned. Is that bad sportsmanship from him? Or is it considered perfectly OK to decline? 

And your profile reads:

"Strike first. Strike hard. No mercy."

Is that you kreese?

 

That gif is so cursed oml 

Tacomeats

If the games rated you should never accept the draw. Chess is a game of war. And at your rating in blitz you can actually survive quite frequently down a queen if you've ever watched Hikaru's botez gambit speed run on youtube he purposely blunders his queen in the first few moves its a great series to watch on how to play down a queen.

Cobra2721
Tacomeats wrote:

If the games rated you should never accept the draw. Chess is a game of war. And at your rating in blitz you can actually survive quite frequently down a queen if you've ever watched Hikaru's botez gambit speed run on youtube he purposely blunders his queen in the first few moves its a great series to watch on how to play down a queen.

WTF? Only at, about 900 you cn survive down a queen. And Hikaru is a Super GM lmao, he could defeat a 2000 down a queen

Kowarenai

maximillion75

ofc

WoodyTBeagle

I would decline.  Two reasons - First - No one has ever offered me a draw on a mouse slip.  Second, how can I know if something is a mouse slip or a blunder and they want backsies.  

Maybe it's harsh - but mouse slips happen - part of the game - evens out in the end. 

CrusaderKing1
WoodyTBeagle wrote:

I would decline.  Two reasons - First - No one has ever offered me a draw on a mouse slip.  Second, how can I know if something is a mouse slip or a blunder and they want backsies.  

Maybe it's harsh - but mouse slips happen - part of the game - evens out in the end. 

 

I had a mouseslip before where someone offered a draw immediately after I did it. I'd say for every 100 obvious mouseslips, 1-4% of people offer a draw (when I didn't offer a draw after mouseslip). But I accepted it, but that's really generous of them. 

playerafar
busterlark wrote:

I think it's fine to decline. Part of playing online chess is being able to manage mouse slips, imo. It would have been good sportsmanship to accept, but it would not have been bad sportsmanship to decline.

Good post.
But its also 'good sportsmanship' to accept one's own mistakes.
If your mouse slips - you have an option -
Don't ask for a draw !  Don't.
Its not up to your opponent to rescue you.
Another option.  Resign.  That's also good sportsmanship.  

Asking for draws in lost positions - and refusing to resign ...
often or usually ...  they're poor sportsmanship.  Not always.

Much more 'Nitty-Gritty' ...
Exchanges leave each player with King and rook against King and rook.
With or without at least one player short of time.
Offer a draw?
Should the player with the big time advantage accept the draw or refuse it ?
Ideally - its that player that should offer the draw.
If he's willing to accept a draw - then why make the other player Beg ?

But its not that simple.
If one player worked hard and played well to be far ahead on the clock -
then why should he go along with a draw ?

In my case - I usually offer or accept a draw in those King and rook situations.
I Certainly don't want to be inanely playing out a 50 move rule.

Jimemy

I don't accept a draw, Like think of this like this. I work hard for my wins, so if i spend like 5 min in a Rapid game thinking, trying to make a plan how to win and then my opponent blunder. If I accept a draw there i would have put all the work in for nothing. I never play for a draw only wins. Its one thing if opponent mouse slip castle on move 3, because then i have not invested any time in the game so far. So if mouse slip trying to castle on move 3 and instead drops king on wrong square I usually accept a draw.

This goes the other way around to. I never send draw offer if I mouse slip or blunder. I usually resign or try to play on and try to make the best out of it. Its my fault not my opponent if I do a mistake.

On Lichess i have turned take backs off, They kept abusing it, like as soon as they did a mistake they tried to get a take-back. Like if your opponent can get a take-back every mistake it will be very hard or impossible to win.

Mathieu9229

I may accept the draw. But how am I supposed to know it is not juste a blunder? When I blunder, I often realize it right after  I play and before my oponent move. I could propose a draw each time (I never do). 

By the way, if someone knows why our brain is so good at identifying blunders one second too late 😄

eric0022
Mathieu9229 wrote:

I may accept the draw. But how am I supposed to know it is not juste a blunder? When I blunder, I often realize it right after  I play and before my oponent move. I could propose a draw each time (I never do). 

By the way, if someone knows why our brain is so good at identifying blunders one second too late 😄

 

Thar's because the pressure has been taken off our minds once an irreversible decision has been made.

 

I realised, 5 minutes after the conclusion of a calculus examination, how to solve a question I had trouble with during the examination.

playerafar
Mathieu9229 wrote:

I may accept the draw. But how am I supposed to know it is not juste a blunder? When I blunder, I often realize it right after  I play and before my oponent move. I could propose a draw each time (I never do). 

By the way, if someone knows why our brain is so good at identifying blunders one second too late 😄

The same reason that even grandmasters often hesitate to make a planned move after their opponent plays an expected move.
Its simply that much harder to be correct about a future position - with any piece not yet moved to display that position exactly.  Even for the best players.

Mathieu9229

I will answer my own question : I think it often has to do with tunnel vision... Before playing you are focus on the play you will move and don't see the whole board... Once you play, you sudenly realize there was that bishop on the other side of the board.

playerafar

Also - in simultaneous exhibitions - grandmasters usually insist that their opponents must wait for them to reach the board before making their move.
Allowing the opponent to move and then study the position after that before the GM gets there - would help the opponent too much.

playerafar

There are often multiple factors and reasons why something happens or is true. 
As opposed to arbitrating it has to be one factor.

sakkipakki

There is no draw. Only situation with no winner. Both are losers, they lost time and many more things. Draw is only for save face. Play to the end and close all russian out.

AJHopper
I accept
AJHopper
But only if its so absolutely obvious that blundered by mistake
For example, if he could deliver mate, but presses one square to the right