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Do you consider chess to be a sport?
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Not a physical sport but officially a mind sport. (still a sport)
Aug 31, 2013
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#105
@ TheBlackBishop138 why on earth would you exert such a question upon us patzers? lol - since it has yet to be mentioned (i think) i'll say this...
do i consider MY chess game to be a sport?
NO!
But ages... you clearly called Chess a sport way back on page one!
I did!
But now I'm saying MY chess playing is not a sport...
- i don't get paid to win (or lose for that matter)
- i'm a free member & can only play in 1 tourny at a time
- i have no sponsors supporting my Bishop sacrifice on f2
There are many who clearly dedicate themselves to improving their play, with endless study of theory & practice of OTB positions, because this (CHESS) is their livelyhood. While my play is obviously a "hobby" it is surely a career for some. So who are we to judge if this historic game is merely a "sport", or an excellent reflection of "life"?
--e8
p.s. my best game this year (so far)
Chess are an intellettual sport,the only one.
Savage wrote:
finns wrote:
Not a physical sport but officially a mind sport. (still a sport)
No such thing. If it's purely mental, it's not a sport.
It's not clear that chess can be adequately classified as being "purely mental", first off. And that's part of the problem with the entire sport vs. non-sport debate surrounding chess.
Aside from that: you have yet to address the point about evolving word meanings that at least I (if not others) have brought up regarding the term "sport" and how chess relates to it.
ages0ne wrote:
@ TheBlackBishop138 why on earth would you exert such a question upon us patzers? lol - since it has yet to be mentioned (i think) i'll say this...
do i consider MY chess game to be a sport?
NO!
But ages... you clearly called Chess a sport way back on page one!
I did!
But now I'm saying MY chess playing is not a sport...
i don't get paid to win (or lose for that matter) i'm a free member & can only play in 1 tourny at a time i have no sponsors supporting my Bishop sacrifice on f2There are many who clearly dedicate themselves to improving their play, with endless study of theory & practice of OTB positions, because this (CHESS) is their livelyhood. While my play is obviously a "hobby" it is surely a career for some. So who are we to judge if this historic game is merely a "sport", or an excellent reflection of "life"?
--e8
p.s. my best game this year (so far)
Kids who play little league baseball also don't get paid to play, nor do they (typically) have paying sponsors to support them. Does this therefore mean that little league baseball is not a sport? According to your criterion, this would be the conclusion.
That being said, I agree with (what seems to be) your larger point about it not really mattering whether or not chess is a sport.
Of course I consider it a sport! Sport is loosely defined as a form of entertainment, and battles, wars, duels, were all considered sport at one point in time. I see chess as a strategic battle, a duel between two people (or yourself :p), so I consider chess a sport! :)
Sep 4, 2013
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#111
Savage wrote:
iamdeafzed wrote:
It's not clear that chess can be adequately classified as being "purely mental", first off.
Aside from that: you have yet to address the point about evolving word meanings that at least I (if not others) have brought up regarding the term "sport" and how chess relates to it.
Seems perfectly clear to me; not sure what your confusion is.
There's no point about evolving word meanings here at all. As I said before: consult any reputable dictionary.
Isn't it clear that Savage isn't going to listen to anything any of you are going to say?
Sep 4, 2013
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#112
Savage wrote:
iamdeafzed wrote:
Ok, words have meaning. And?
If you're trying to say that it's important to firmly clarify chess as being sport or non-sport for the sake of not using sloppy language (as in avoiding the "War is Peace" kind of Orwellian sloppiness), then in theory, I agree with you.
In practice, words and language in general can never have the same rigorous exactitude that tend to typify (particularly) mathematics. Yes, it's important not to be sloppy with words. On the other hand, there are practical limits to how precisely you can express meaning via language. And really, how much distortion in thought are you going to cause people based on whether or not you decide to call chess a sport?
Nonsense. "Sport" has always been defined as an athletic or physical activity. Check any reputable dictionary. There's nothing fuzzy or ambiguous about it. Of course, that doesn't stop some people from trying to ignore the meaning and call chess a "sport" anyway because, well, they just want to.
Sloppy language is a symptom of sloppy thinking, and the ramifications go far beyond an insignificant activity like chess. For a real-world example of the consequences, look at the "Commerce Clause" of the US Constitution and how over time the meaning of the words "regulate" and "commerce" has been stretched beyond any semblance of reason to the point where the government is permitted to enact virtually any legislation it likes.
Sep 4, 2013
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#113
Kingpatzer wrote:
Savage wrote:
Nonsense. "Sport" has always been defined as an athletic or physical activity. Check any reputable dictionary. There's nothing fuzzy or ambiguous about it.
I would assume that you consider the Oxford English Dictionary to be "reputable?"
If so, you'll find under "Sport" the following:
[mass noun] dated entertainment; fun:
archaic a source of amusement or entertainment:
There are 2 definitions that fit.
You'll note that one is "dated" and the other "archaic."
How many times do you have to be wrong in one paragraph before you realize you have no idea what you're talking about?
There isn't an lexicographer in the world who would have a problem with refering to chess as a "sport." They might say "it's not the normative usage," but it is a perfectly understandable usage that successfully conveys an intended meaning and therefore it's a fitting use of the word.
Now, I could care less about how this argument is going, but I think it's stupid for you to deflect this perfectly good post with F##king idiot when, in reality, the point was that chess can be considered a sport if these definitions were taken into account. Now, perhaps that isn't the discussion at hand, but you kind of say "Sport has always been taken to mean a physical activity." Then, KingPatzer brings this definition that doesn't fit this, which makes you say, "F##king idiot, I didn't mean that kind of sport."
Just Settle this with a poll!
Sep 4, 2013
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#115
Savage wrote:
Very colorful, Chessman. Incoherent, but colorful.
Love it when people say things without proof. Just love it. Maybe it was incoherent, but just saying it doesn't make it true.
Sep 4, 2013
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#116
Savage wrote:
Proof is in the dictionary, mate.
So the Oxford English Dictionary isn't a dictionary? Everything I know is lie, I guess.
Sep 4, 2013
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#117
Savage wrote:
Yawn. Try reading post #149 in case you missed it the first time, funny guy.
Even if the word is outdated, chess is still a sport in that sense. And you said "Sport" has always been taken to mean a physical activity. Well, not in that sense.
Sep 4, 2013
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#118
Savage wrote:
chessman1504 wrote:
chess is still a sport in that sense. And you said "Sport" has always been taken to mean a physical activity. Well, not in that sense.
Thank you for pointing out that the only sense in which chess is a "sport" is one that has nothing to do with sport.
Savage 1, Chessman 0.
That score at the end is quite juvenile. In any case, you say it has nothing to do with sport. But, who's definition are we (meaning you, really) using? Yours. You kind of blankly stated sport is must have a physical component, look it up. In fact, you said it always included something physical. I'm saying that it's wrong to say sport always meant something physical when it's clear that sport could have meant other things. And, this has been looked up.The OP didn't specify the sense sport was to be taken in. For all we know, such a dictionary definition of sport could suffice, even if it's archaic. I could put some score at the end of this, but I'm not 10.
If two people are fighting each other in a forum, is it a sport?
Yes, it's a mental sport
That explains why my brain sweats so much after I'm done playing.