Do you think chess and mathematics are related?
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Aug 23, 2012
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#23
I am outstanding at balancing my checkbook (I daresay that I'm in the 99th percentile on that - I could probably compete internationally if it were an Olympic event). Also I'm one of the pre-eminent tippers in the Western World (calculating 15%, 20% in my head, just like that). But my chess ability has lagged behind my other-worldy math skills so I'm not sure if there is a connection. . .
Nothing here has a relation in chess. Except for some mathematical alogrithms.
Aug 23, 2012
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#25
I should also mention that I DOMINATE competitions that involve multiplying a number by itself (only numbers between 1 and 15 please, but not 14 because I always forget that one) - but chess is still something I struggle with . . .
Question for Bowerick - when you balanced it on your forehead was it a normal bank checkbook or one of the specially weighted ones used for international competitions??
Aug 23, 2012
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#26
According to John Nunn years and years ago, the difference between mathematics and chess is that in math, you must be right while in chess you need only to be more right than your opponent.
the answer is yes.
chess has one "c" and so does mathematics.
chess has one "h" and so does mathematics.
chess has one "e" and so does mathematics.
then chess has a spare "s"
Chess and math are both a chalenge to your brain and you will not loee your power of compehention
Personally, I think it's more than just math; it's philosophy.
Hey, Wowbagger! How's it going?
Training for a chess tournament which takes place this Saturday.
Aug 23, 2012
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#32
Bowerick, Bowerick - c'mon man, we're all friends here! Don't worry about it, you panicked, made up a little white lie - it happens to the best of us! Chess.com is a community of friends - fraternity, liberty, equality, etc. In fact, I consider you to be our Robespierre and we are all honored to be members of the 'Committe of Public Safety'. Now let's storm the Bastille, let them eat cake, and other random French Revolution stuff!
Yes, I think chess and mathematics are related. Chess is an optimization problem. It involves many different factors -- material, piece activity, pawn structure, space, king safety, time remaining on your own clock and your opponent's clock, etc. -- that determine how well you are doing (and thus how likely you are to achieve your goal of winning or drawing). Your task when playing a game is to maximize the value of all these factors at every turn.
The various factors are all weighted differently, and the weights change depending on the position. Although you don't consciously assign precise quantities for the weights, you do weight them and you do carry out the calculation implicitly when you consider all the tradeoffs at every move and make the move you think is the "best" move, which is something like the move that maximizes the likelihood of achieving your desired goal (win or draw) given the relative importance you assign to the various factors you consider.
Computers carry out the calculations explicitly and have exact values for the weights of the various factors they consider, and they use brute force to do the calculations on as many nodes in the search tree as they have time for, while humans do the calculations implicitly on just the nodes that they think are worth considering, and the weights are just ranked in terms of importance rather than having exact values (e.g., "in this quiet position, pawn structure is the most important factor, so I'm willing to give up the bishop pair to give my opponent doubled isolated pawns and a long-term positional advantage in the endgame I can trade down to").
Huh!!
I wrekon the french girl has thrown a rhetorical in to watch people bimble and bumble....the girls got a sense of humour..
Aug 23, 2012
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#36
Logic is highly related to math, so I would say that math is involved and you calculate the expect returns based on certain moves, for instance to you want to give up your light bishop to get your opponents knight, or do you think you would be better off having both bishops still in the game?
Of course chess and math are related! If you do math coursework during a chess game, there is a 99.99% chance that you will lose!
Timothy_P wrote:
Of course chess and math are related! If you do math coursework during a chess game, there is a 99.99% chance that you will lose!
Not if you're playing a 30 20!
joeydvivre wrote:
Except all that stuff that sapient described above in telling us how math and chess are related isn't math except the optimization problem. The optimization problem given the position valuations is completely trivial math (game tree optimization is like a 15 minute lecture, maybe).
The problem that chess is may be an easy one, but the solution isn't, that's why computers haven't solved it yet
Of course chess and math are related!