Does Bullet Chess show your real chess ??

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bahubali371

My bullet rating is 1370 and blitz rating is 1470... and amazingly rapid rating is 1570... Which should I assume my real rating ??

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Ratings here are a bit inflated, your FIDE blitz would probably be around 1250 and your rapid 1400?
bahubali371

Here the main topic is "Is bullet your real talent ??" happy.pnghappy.png

What do you think ?? I love bullet too much ... although I'm not so good in it happy.pnghappy.png

supware

I'd argue that Bullet is almost a different game.  The focus is more on "tricks" (inducing/tempting blunders, I guess) and intuition becomes much more important as you simply don't have time to think about what you're doing.

 

Since the strategy involved is so radically different I'd say your Bullet rating says very little about your ability to play "real" Chess (although obviously the converse is not true)

godsofhell1235

Your 5 minute rating wont be the same as your 10 minute rating, even though they're both blitz.

Don't try to figure out your tournament rating by looking at online stuff. It's silly.

But I'd say for most people it's blitz + or - 200 points.

brettregan1

NO  I am 63 - never read chess books took lessons or learned chess notation - I played since I was 12 years old - I do not count moves or think moves out - I look at the board and play a move by what it looks like by gut instinct - I bet the worlds best players think things out to a tee - play fast chess and you will become like me A PAWN PUSHER - I played a local ranked chess tournament - beat two kids and they cried - when I played the adults I beat me badly - I over heard the ladies champ talking to the mens champ about a game AND THEY WERE TALKING IN CHESS NOTATION - WHAT THE HECK ??????

bahubali371

Is learning bullet different from learning real chess ??

supware
bahubali371 wrote:

Is learning bullet different from learning real chess ??

I mean the rules are the same, but the way you'll play is very different

AntonioEsfandiari

 I think bullet chess (especially 1 minute or faster) demonstrates your chess intuition, and your surface calculation/pattern recognition. 
Yes there is calculation in bullet, yes there is strategy, yes openings are slightly relevant, but time is more important than position a lot of the time.  The better you get at chess, the better you should get at bullet (theoretically) but improvements in bullet won't necessarily make your slow chess any better, but I don't think bullet will make it any worse either.  You may get some bad habits from bullet, like not being properly punished for bad opening lines, but perhaps you will improve your intuition and calculations/second (how many lines you can look through in a given time) 
And if bullet chess is the only chess you are in the mood for at the moment, then by all means, play some bullet!  The worst thing you can do is kill your joy for chess by never having fun.  

*A tip for improvement at bullet* You should be constantly telling yourself "faster faster faster!" Go as fast as you can and then try to go even faster.

AntonioEsfandiari
With_every_step wrote:

No, 'bullet chess' involves notable other factors. It distracts even more from the chess itself.

I wouldn't blame you for not liking fast chess! You are like 100x better at slow chess. In slow chess you are in the top elite, 99.8% of players, but in fast chess you are only slightly above average top 60%,  don't try to discredit it because it is not for you, it can bring others a lot of joy!  

bahubali371

Thanks for your efforts @AntonioEsfandiari

bahubali371

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supware

@With_every_step I think you've misread something there, my dude.

AntonioEsfandiari

Sorry @witheverystep.  I was a bit aggressive.  I tend to distrust those with 1000pt rating disparity across time controls but I realize you are not all bad apples and I am sorry for showing you disrespect.  Honestly, I am probably just jealous because I know I could never get your daily chess rating.  And yes 5 seconds chess would not have much "beauty" in it, but boy it would be good practice in premoving! (plus you could get in hundreds of games an hour grin.png

brettregan1

gak gak = I am was and will always be a nerd - but this misses some important points - when I play fast chess I lose because I am 63 played since I was about 12 never read books or took lessons - but my service gave me the grandfathers clause - I have all computer stufff - BUT I HAVE THE SLOWEST INTERNET THE COMPANY PROVIDES - you give me the fastest internet and I will still lose - I need about a minute or 30 seconds to look glance and make a move - fast chess means you need to make a move in at least 5 seconds or less - like I am a red seal electrician - trained by school to take the exam - told 3 questions need at least 15 minutes the other 100 or so have to be answered in less than 3 mins or you run out of time and fail the red seal exam - chess - the big boys think out each move - bob fischer on tv show played a game with a buddy in a tournament  - he said draw in like 11 moves - buddy said no - play - it was a draw in like 11 moves - try doing that in bull S-- T  chess - I could play chess for a million years and never do that - because I look - then I push a pawn - if you want to be a great player you have to be like them and think moves and moves ahead

brettregan1

further move - give me that fastest internet I would still lose to all the worlds bullet chess players - because I just need too much time

brettregan1

another thing  b chess makes you focus on the board - meaning that you would always lose REAL OVER THE BOARD CHESS -  BOB FISCHER would stare at the opponent and NEVER BLINK - if the opponents expression betrayed a mistake - bob would see the expression then look for the mistake - bullet means you can never learn to do that because you have to stare at the board

AntonioEsfandiari
Morphysrevenges wrote:

I love bullet and blitz chess. my problem is that I try to play it like "real" chess. (i.e. like slower time controls). I understand how different it is, but have a hard time just playing fast (and sloppy) when I see something more interesting in the position. 

 

It shows in my ratings. there is nearly a 1000 rating point difference in my ratings. in a large percentage of the games I lose at fast controls I am crushing my opponent. Problem is, it does not matter at all when you flag falls. And I don't whine about it, I just realize the clock is a bigger part of the deal in blitz or bullet and that is just the way it is. 

Yes unfortunately your type is a favorite meal of the bullet chess lion.  When I am in a losing position in bullet (most of the time I am in one haha) All of my candidate moves are filtered through "how can I win on time," so I stop playing the best chess I can.  Also when we see that a player is slow and trying to find the best moves, we will happily let you calculate to win a few pawns, even a piece, heck, take my queen if it costs you 20 seconds to trap her grin.png.  A bullet chess game is more of an argument over the value of time than it is a real chess game.  But being good at real chess is still a factor.  A beginner who is trying only to win on time while making terrible moves at the speed of light will handily be checkmated by any 1400 bullet player.

P.S. I am from Seattle too!  Do you go to any chess meetups or SCC?

AntonioEsfandiari
brettregan1 wrote:

another thing  b chess makes you focus on the board - meaning that you would always lose REAL OVER THE BOARD CHESS -  BOB FISCHER would stare at the opponent and NEVER BLINK - if the opponents expression betrayed a mistake - bob would see the expression then look for the mistake - bullet means you can never learn to do that because you have to stare at the board

You can look at your opponent while playing OTB bullet, even with your peripheral you can see hesitation and other tells.

supware
AntonioEsfandiari wrote:

A bullet chess game is more of an argument over the value of time than it is a real chess game.  But being good at real chess is still a factor.  A beginner who is trying only to win on time while making terrible moves at the speed of light will handily be checkmated by any 1400 bullet player.

Beautifully said!