Does Carlsen have a chance against Kramnik?

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ArgoNavis
fabelhaft escribió:

"Kramnik is the most consistently strong and has the most problematic style for the world champion to face"

All the games they played in 2016...

 

 

And that, ladies and genttlemen, is what cherry-picking looks like.

Overlyunskilled

Right now, in classical, i just don't see anyone of the actual candidates taking the crown from Carlsen.
someone said that, in best case (if it's Kramnik) they'll draw until they (unfortunatly) blitz out the matches were the edge is even bigger with Carlsen. I do think that, out of them all, right now Kramnik can do some damage with insane preparation skill and positional knowledge but would it be enough? Not sure..

fabelhaft
ArgoNavis wrote:
fabelhaft escribió:

"Kramnik is the most consistently strong and has the most problematic style for the world champion to face"

All the games they played in 2016...

 

 

And that, ladies and genttlemen, is what cherry-picking looks like.

Even more cherry-picking: counting all games played in all formats/time controls from the World Blitz Championships 2010, Carlsen has 16-2 in wins. But that's just cherry-picking all the games from the last eight years :-)

JayeshSinhaChess

I think the biggest threat was Vishy and Carlsen handled that very well. Kramnik won't be a bigger challenge than Vishy and Carlsen will wrap up the win easily if Kramnik wins. Kramnik has a no nonsense demeanor which creates the illusion of formidability.

 

Kramnik is a top player, no one is denying that, but Carlsen will be delighted if Kramnik wins.

 

I still feel Levon and Fabi are the two biggest threats. Anyone else and we could starting talking about the candidates that follows.

 

 

MSC157
fabelhaft wrote:

"Kramnik is the most consistently strong and has the most problematic style for the world champion to face"

All the games they played in 2016...

 

 

Except WCh is not played as a blitz/rapid match, unless it's tie-break.

USArmyParatrooper

Come on Fabs!  You can do it! 

 

Murica!  🇺🇸 

macer75
godsofhell1235 wrote:

I mean... Anand beat Kramnik, and Kramnik has floated in and out of the top 10. He's old, and has a chronic disease.

Carlsen beat Anand twice, and is young.

So... no, probably Kramnik would not be able to win against Carlsen. Not impossible though.

Well... more precisely, it was in - 2 months at #11 - back in.

https://2700chess.com/charts/kramnik?date-from=1992-01-01&date-to=2018-03-01

fabelhaft

”WCh is not played as a blitz/rapid match”

No, but if Kramnik was the most difficult opponent for Carlsen I doubt the score would be 16-2 in wins for Carlsen over the last years including also rapid and blitz. In classical Carlsen is only 4-1 in wins over the same period, but that’s not too bad either if Kramnik would be his most difficult opponent.

MSC157

Who then is? 

4-1 over the last 8 years, but 6-5 over the last 11 years. But 1-1 over the last 2 years. 

Chushoudelu

 

yureesystem

Fabelhaft is mr cherry-picker, he always be fan-boy for Carlsen. Sorry, Carlsen is only one game up, in classical game. Classical games: Magnus Carlsen beat Vladimir Kramnik 6 to 5, with 15 draws. 

Carlsen can easily lose to Kramnik because of his solid style, both are great positional and endgame player but Kramniik has more experience and this give Kramnik the edge.

SteamGear

Kramnik is incredible in his own right, but he'd face an uphill battle against Carlsen.

Vlad can't consistently out-think Carlsen at the board. His best hope would be to lure Magnus into some serious home-prep lines—which is where Kramnik really shines.

Work ethic versus ingenuity.

JohnHS

Yes, but Magnus is famous for getting you out of your preperation on move five.  Look at the number of games he won in the PRO Chess League with a4 as his beginning move.

He wouldn't play like that with Kramnik, but he doesn't like preperation.  He will make you play positional chess with him.  And force you into an endgame.  Kramnik cannot deal with that.

Pulpofeira

Well, Kramnik himself said once that Carlsen is an improved version of Karpov. 

yureesystem

Carlsen is more worry about Caruana, he might the candidate and become challenger.

josephyossi

Kramnik will deifinetly lose

fabelhaft

”Fabelhaft is mr cherry-picker, he always be fan-boy for Carlsen. Sorry, Carlsen is only one game up, in classical game”

Now, on the question if Carlsen has a chance against Kramnik, I do think the games Carlsen lost 10-12 years ago when he was far from top ten are less relevant to show if Carlsen stands a chance today than those of the last eight years... 

fabelhaft

”Kramnik knows how to prepare for a match and then play well in it”

My impression is that his opponents won the preparation part of all his matches, with the exception of the one against Kasparov. But against Shirov, Gelfand, Kamsky, Anand, Leko, Topalov, Grischuk it were the latter that got what they wanted out of the openings. 

josephyossi
DeirdreSkye wrote:

Kramnik will easily win 6-0 and accept a draw in the 7th game with 2 rooks up.

The kid must take half point or he might stop playing.

SRSLY

macer75

So I guess most people agree that Carlsen has a slim chance, if any?