Does chess.com recognise trans/women?

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Hi folks.

On another thread it was stated that chess.com doesn't recognise that someone is a female/woman unless they have legal recognition that they are a female/woman.  

I've been unable to find any official statement on this.

Anyone able to help?

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DelightfulLiberty wrote:

Hi folks.

On another thread it was stated that chess.com doesn't recognise that someone is a female/woman unless they have legal recognition that they are a female/woman.

I've been unable to find any official statement on this.

Anyone able to help?

The site does not have anything regarding gender or gender identity for accounts.

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Are you sure? This poster seemed quite adamant.

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I think it will take an actual case (i.e. a transgender at the top level of chess) for them to make an actual policy. It is something they wish to avoid if they can, as there will be backlash whatever their decision is.

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I believe it was for an event that required two female team members.

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SoupSailor72 wrote:

I think it will take an actual case (i.e. a transgender at the top level of chess) for them to make an actual policy. It is something they wish to avoid if they can, as there will be backlash whatever their decision is.

What do you mean by top-level of chess? You mean a transwoman who earns a female only title?

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Deadmanparty wrote:

I believe it was for an event that required two female team members.

That would be rules regarding events, not a blanket recognition or not. It's quite different.

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DelightfulLiberty wrote:

Are you sure? This poster seemed quite adamant.

Look in your profile settings. There's nothing there.

If there's a specific event, that's up to the site and those entering to hash out.

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Thank you.

It seems chess.com has not made any statement that they refuse to accept that a transwoman is a woman without legal gender recognition.

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DelightfulLiberty wrote:
SoupSailor72 wrote:

I think it will take an actual case (i.e. a transgender at the top level of chess) for them to make an actual policy. It is something they wish to avoid if they can, as there will be backlash whatever their decision is.

What do you mean by top-level of chess? You mean a transwoman who earns a female only title?

That would probably be enough, yes.

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SoupSailor72 wrote:
DelightfulLiberty wrote:
SoupSailor72 wrote:

I think it will take an actual case (i.e. a transgender at the top level of chess) for them to make an actual policy. It is something they wish to avoid if they can, as there will be backlash whatever their decision is.

What do you mean by top-level of chess? You mean a transwoman who earns a female only title?

That would probably be enough, yes.

Fair enough. I know there is a transwoman who has earned the FM title, but not one who has earned WFM.

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Alternatively, there could be a transgender trying to enter a women-only tournament, and FIDE/chess.com would be forced to take a stance.

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why are you trying to create conflict, just leave it alone nobody cares what you consider yourself to be

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SoupSailor72 wrote:

Alternatively, there could be a transgender trying to enter a women-only tournament, and FIDE/chess.com would be forced to take a stance.

Has FIDE not already ruled that to enter a woman's only event one is required to have legal recognition of gender from their country (and noted in apologetic tones it understands the issue that creates for transwomen from certain countries)? Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.

But chess.com hasn't stated that it doesn't recognise that transwomen are women without legal recognition (from their country). And that settles this specific issue.

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mrOpenRuy wrote:

why are you trying to create conflict, just leave it alone nobody cares what you consider yourself to be

I'm not trying to create conflict. Someone made a statement and I wanted to verify it. The only conflict here is currently coming from you.

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DelightfulLiberty wrote:
SoupSailor72 wrote:

Alternatively, there could be a transgender trying to enter a women-only tournament, and FIDE/chess.com would be forced to take a stance.

Has FIDE not already ruled that to enter a woman's only event one is required to have legal recognition of gender from their country (and noted in apologetic tones it understands the issue that creates for transwomen from certain countries)? Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.

But chess.com hasn't stated that it doesn't recognise that transwomen are women without legal recognition (from their country). And that settles this specific issue.

And there it is.

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I don’t feel like it’s chess.com’s problem to take a stance on it. Unless something big happens that forces them to they probably won’t, because chess.com probably just wants to focus on chess.
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Greckoboi wrote:
I don’t feel like it’s chess.com’s problem to take a stance on it. Unless something big happens that forces them to they probably won’t, because chess.com probably just wants to focus on chess.

I agree. That's why I was surprised that it was strongly declared that they had.

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Greckoboi wrote:
I don’t feel like it’s chess.com’s problem to take a stance on it. Unless something big happens that forces them to they probably won’t, because chess.com probably just wants to focus on chess.

das wut im sayin

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SoupSailor72 wrote:

Alternatively, there could be a transgender trying to enter a women-only tournament, and FIDE/chess.com would be forced to take a stance.

If a FIDE event their rules would apply. It would not be up to chess.com or any other online system. Or other local groups or clubs.

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