Does Chess.com use Bots as Players on their live Games? - Chess Forums - Page 7

MrChatty

2 days ago

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#121

TheDifferenceOfTier5 wrote:

there's no banned players in my history

20 players banned for the lack of fair play and 6 players banned for abuse in your game history I see

nklristic

2 days ago

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#122

overbehind wrote:

You can put yours opponent's elo search window as tight as possible and within seconds you will find a player even at 2200-2300 elo or even higher, where less than couple of thousands people total play. Statistically this makes no sense, but it the case here. With each year they bot situation is getting worse due to less people playing since the latest chess boom.

The reason I am not playing 45/45 and 60/0 games is that I had to wait for at least 20 minutes for a game, sometimes more. If they were using bots, I would get those games the way you describe. And all that on 1700 level, even much lower than that. If they were using bots, that would not happen. There are more gaps in the pool that have the same problem as well. In blitz and bullet there are simply enough people around 2200 level for everyone to get games quickly.

madratter7

2 days ago

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#123

I don't know if chess.com uses bots although I have my doubts. But what I am reasonably sure of is if they are catching the number of cheaters they say they are, there are a large number of cheaters who aren't being caught. It is easy to catch a bot playing perfect chess. It isn't so easy to catch a bot intentionally playing less than perfect chess. There are still ways to try and catch such (variations in move time being one way), but to believe they are catching them all; it just isn't logical.

Marcus_Wolters

2 days ago

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#124

jrm05 hat geschrieben:

Im pretty sure they use bot as humans players. im a normal 1400 player and i played everyday. I am now 1100. Not because im too weak, i sometimes played 91% accuracy and the lowest was 59 or less on my worst. On my best at 1100 player, i battle with someone who is 88- 90% accurate most of the times with a weird names photos and etc. And at my worst, we are both below in accuracies. Means it depends how we played the game and the human bot depends on how you manage to counter those moves. You need to outplayed them on opening to midgame coz they crushed you instantly on midgames if you don't have enough skills. Im on Champion League Level.

I am very annoyed on this Chess.com strategy. Did everyone notice that searching or finding opponents are too fast, unlike Lichess. 🤔

Bots are being used. The reason can only be guessed at, but it suggests there are more players than members, compared to when bots aren't used. The bots have monosystematic variants with a slightly rising curve. The bots almost never drop below 0.00. If a player plays weaker, a few weaker moves by the bot will level the playing field, or the player will lose. If the player plays well, better than usual, the player wins. It often seems to me that this is achieved by creating the illusion of unexpected time pressure. The game and the distribution of thinking time are fixed, not fluctuating.

TheDifferenceOfTier5

14 hrs ago

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#125

griffinlewis wrote:

Chess com definitely uses bots … have been playing similar strategies and after a string of 1-2weeks of winning and going up in ratings , will suddenly drop down 200 pts. And the players play fairly quickly with accurate moves. Noticed this as a pattern every few weeks. I keep hovering around 1300 .

That's how chess improvement works. You train for a while, get nowhere, suddenly shoot up a lot, and then drop back down a little bit

TheDifferenceOfTier5

14 hrs ago

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#126

Martin_Stahl wrote:

TheDifferenceOfTier5 wrote:

This is straight up wrong, there's no banned players in my history

There's one in September and one in March ... didn't look closely or for more.

Can I get a screenshot?

And anyway, you claimed that "cheating is rampant", so if I have only played like 2 cheaters, which I doubt, then you're still wrong.

TheDifferenceOfTier5

14 hrs ago

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#127

MrChatty wrote:

TheDifferenceOfTier5 wrote:

there's no banned players in my history

20 players banned for the lack of fair play and 6 players banned for abuse in your game history I see

Lets see them then. Even so I have played upwards of a thousand games, so this is not a lot in the big picture.

MrChatty

12 hrs ago

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#128

TheDifferenceOfTier5 wrote:

this is not a lot

Still they are a part of your game history

AlfalfaBul

12 hrs ago

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#129

Martin_Stahl wrote:

1tacticalmaniac wrote:

Martin_Stahl wrote:

mtlf wrote:

They 100% use them to keep you playing an at a certain level.. Half of the players you may see that you play againts, only have games played that day on their profile... Its say that they charge for analysis and game play when you are not even playing real players online..

The site does not use bots in the player pools.

I assure you they do. They just don't want you to know. Just like years ago they denied having rampant cheating. Now we all know online chess is nearly unplayable due to cheating. Lie lie lie. Nothing new. The OTHER site is far better than this disgrace of a site.

Some people assume that's the case but that's all it is, assumptions. People create accounts and play. The site itself doesn't use bots in the player pools and has it's own section for playing the computer.

They do. The evidence is overwhelming.

Best way to fight getting angry, and get even is to use this forum exclusively for practice. Forget about your rating! You can play any level player at any rating because of the bots. Itbis infuriating if you place any value on your rating in this forum.

Other things that works if you are on the 'bad children list' and therefore never play anything but bots is to forfeit the moment you see your opponent is playing way above the rating you are in. Immediately just resign. It sooths the soul and you know ypu are going to lose this one anyway so... just skip the ridiculousness of GM bots playing beginners.

Lastly, I honestly believe it is paid AI research done in this eight x eight fixed environment so the idiot programmers can try and figure out how AI writes its own code. Therefore you might find AI behaving most ridiculously and even be convinced outside parameters are in the 'player's' control, like time. You are probably right. To see to what devious attempts their bots will go to win, to see the code for dishonour.

Now that's money!

Sacrificing your ego for that is not keeping them awake.

AlfalfaBul

12 hrs ago

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#130

Martin_Stahl wrote:

Real-Rain wrote:

- The questions isn't "do they use bots", it is "Do they effectively allow bots to play because the bot accounts increase the liquidity of gameplay" which they very clearly do. Your comment obtusely deflects from that along with the other chess.com party line propaganda I have seen you post.

The site has dedicated staff and automated tools to try and detection and handle members that create accounts and use bots. It's not something being allowed.

If you run across anyone you suspect of that, you should report them.

https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8562517-how-do-i-report-someone

The site closed over 62,000 accounts in May for fair play violations.

https://www.chess.com/article/view/chesscom-update-june-2024?alert=content#FairPlay

https://www.chess.com/article/view/online-chess-cheating

Are you the auto reply bot for when people argue this site uses bots?

AndrewSmith

12 hrs ago

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#131

As Martin said report any suspicious users on the links on how to do them,this isn't a discussion for the forums discussions bots and engine use ,

Martin isn't auto reply either, he's a dedicated moderator

Atae12

9 hrs ago

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#132

This is complete bulls*t... I had my suspicion that I am playing bots and not real people for some time now... I have my strong reasons to believe it but there is no way to prove it.
But that is not the point. It should not be up to the users to prove it is happening. Chess.com should come out and prove that it is not!

Two-Rook-Bluck

9 hrs ago

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#133

When I hit a new ELO milestone I seem to go on a huge loss spree from players who suddenly play very different moves with improved accuracy so could be

MrChatty

9 hrs ago

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#134

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9 hrs ago

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#135

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shutdownresponses

8 hrs ago

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#136

good luck everyone

madratter7

8 hrs ago

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#137

Atae12 wrote:

This is complete bulls*t... I had my suspicion that I am playing bots and not real people for some time now... I have my strong reasons to believe it but there is no way to prove it.
But that is not the point. It should not be up to the users to prove it is happening. Chess.com should come out and prove that it is not!

And exactly what evidence would you accept to prove they aren't? Signed affidavits from each and every player in each and every game?

Atae12

8 hrs ago

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#138

madratter7 wrote:

Atae12 wrote:

This is complete bulls*t... I had my suspicion that I am playing bots and not real people for some time now... I have my strong reasons to believe it but there is no way to prove it.
But that is not the point. It should not be up to the users to prove it is happening. Chess.com should come out and prove that it is not!

And exactly what evidence would you accept to prove they aren't? Signed affidavits from each and every player in each and every game?

Independent audit

TetrisFrolfChess

7 hrs ago

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#139

Whether chess.com uses bots to supplement the playing pool or not I'm not sure.

Marcus_Wolters

5 hrs ago

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#140

MrChatty hat geschrieben:

Stockfish isn´t for free. News are for free, knowledge never.