Does chess really make you intelligent

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jetoba
ThrillerFan wrote:

1+1=3

Yeah, I'd say it made me intelligent!

I see you've studied biological reproduction.  My wife and I had only one kid.

 

On a more serious note:

Chess helps sharpen the mind but it does not, in and of itself, make somebody intelligent.

That said, many people feel they have to be intelligent to play the game and thus it self-selects for those more confident of their level of intelligence.  Also, such self-selection helps foster a general-public perception that playing chess is a mark of intelligence.

playerafar

And people can project their projections.  And do.
Including worrying about whether they're seen as clever -

thinking that since they (he) worries (obviously - and more than anybody else on the website) about such a thing -
then others must be too.   Someday (unlikely) he'll discover ...
And of course - he'll try to make it as personal as possible.

playerafar
jetoba wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

1+1=3

Yeah, I'd say it made me intelligent!

I see you've studied biological reproduction.  My wife and I had only one kid.

 

On a more serious note:

Chess helps sharpen the mind but it does not, in and of itself, make somebody intelligent.

That said, many people feel they have to be intelligent to play the game and thus it self-selects for those more confident of their level of intelligence.  Also, such self-selection helps foster a general-public perception that playing chess is a mark of intelligence.

For those obsessed with things like IQ tests and having multiple university degrees - such persons might also obsess over chess ratings and titles - especially their own.
Some of those persons might have what might be called - 'Bobby Fischer problems' ...  and that's not 'intelligence' except for those who want it to be.
Many regard money and income and how much money and wealth somebody has and has held onto - as good indicators of intelligence ...
but like other misleading things ... there are so many contradictions of that !  

playerafar

And a forum like this could be a kind of minefield ...
whoever wanting 'pingpong' ...
That can be posted around. 
Other posts can be responded to instead.
intelligence could be a very sensitive subject to some.

Anyway - and again - regarding the forum topic -
the word 'more' not there.
Did the original poster mean to imply that 'intelligent' is digital A or B ?
Maybe we'll never know.
Regardless - some will go in that direction.
Again ironical that even a narrow measure - like IQ tests - are themselves 'scalar'.  But even there - some people will say ...
'well its 'bad' if you're under 100' .   happy.png

playerafar


https://som.yale.edu/news/2009/11/why-high-iq-doesnt-mean-youre-smart

(would also apply to chess ratings - chess titles - amount of money - number of university degrees)

"But the tests fall down when it comes to measuring those abilities crucial to making good judgements in real-life situations. That's because they are unable to assess things such as a person's ability to critically weigh up information, or whether an individual can override the intuitive cognitive biases that can lead us astray."

"fall down".  Yes.
'Cognitive bias'.   

ActivatePlan357

I like how everyo

play4fun64
Eemil08 wrote:

It has been studied that chess develops memory, problem-solving, and the creation and planning of long-range plans, as must be done in chess.





 

The Study is Biased. The kids involved didn't study chess at all. They are taught the rules and just played. If they are taught to use Chessbase, introduce to dozens of chess books, solve thousands of puzzles, these kids will perform not so good in school

 

playerafar
play4fun64 wrote:
Eemil08 wrote:

It has been studied that chess develops memory, problem-solving, and the creation and planning of long-range plans, as must be done in chess.





 

The Study is Biased. The kids involved didn't study chess at all. They are taught the rules and just played. If they are taught to use Chessbase, introduce to dozens of chess books, solve thousands of puzzles, these kids will perform not so good in school

 

"these kids will perform not so good" 
(in other things like school for example)
Yes. Valid.  Not inevitable in all cases but valid nonetheless.
But this could be true for almost any activity that is over-indulged.
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play4fun64

Parents of kid players should not forced them to get medals in kids tournaments. Early motivation to excel in chess is not healthy for kid's mental development.

playerafar

Chess is frowned on by many people.
Its considered by many to be a colossal waste of time.
But a lot of things could be so considered to be.

djconnel

Chess exercises focus and concentration, which are skills completely neglected by too many people, even highly educated ones.

Sure -- the rule of specificity says playing a lot of chess makes you better at playing chess.  But at least to a certain extent it's a mental exercise, like running is an exercise which makes you not only better @ running, but also at other things.

playerafar

That's correct. 
Running physical fitness is found to improve concentration.
I believe that just walking a few miles a day can do the same thing though.
And with more convenience and less addiction.  
When I was very active at tennis - middle distance running certainly helped with concentration - but in a kind of ironic way.

If your opponent running you around the court is getting you winded - that Will interfere with concentration !   In several ways.
But if you're running-fit that takes cares of that.
My favorite routine was - quarter mile jog - 2 hours of tennis - then much middle distance jogging and running after.

AunTheKnight
Wits-end wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:

I had a martial arts teacher that would tell us:  "There is nothing i can do to make you better at this.  All i can do is give you the tools.  It will be up to you to do the rest."

Mine said “Today impossible, tomorrow possible.” He was a great man and now Eternal Grand Master Haeng Ung Lee. We also were told to do 300 or so push ups every class, then work on punching techniques. No wonder my shoulders are failing now… 😆

You studied under Haeng Ung Lee?

KingPawnSmasher
No chess will not make you intelligent.

Chess is nothing more than pattern recognition.
Wits-end
AunTheKnight wrote:
Wits-end wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:

I had a martial arts teacher that would tell us:  "There is nothing i can do to make you better at this.  All i can do is give you the tools.  It will be up to you to do the rest."

Mine said “Today impossible, tomorrow possible.” He was a great man and now Eternal Grand Master Haeng Ung Lee. We also were told to do 300 or so push ups every class, then work on punching techniques. No wonder my shoulders are failing now… 😆

You studied under Haeng Ung Lee?

Yes, he was my first instructor. And you?

Gymstar

wow

Gymstar

300 is alot

Rowlet12
Yes it does
play4fun64

Online chess for kids should be regulated by parents. Moderation is key to good effects of chess.

AunTheKnight
Wits-end wrote:

Yes, he was my first instructor. And you?

If I said, it would reveal my location, which I would rather not do wink.png

 

What level did you reach?