does "jrobichess" on youtube knows what he is talking about?

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Niven42

There's nothing wrong with "jrobichess".

AMcHarg
slatherdfoe wrote:
jedzz wrote:

Jrobi is okay for beginners...


As a beginner I can say he is definately "NOT okay for beginners." He doesn't understand the ideas of the moves or concepts. He passes these mental mistakes in his videos. The last video I saw he said a Queen and Bishop make a powerful attacking duo. It's not true. The Queen and Bishop are weak because the bishop only controls a certain kind of color. The good attacking duo is a Queen and Knight because they cooperate. That's just one of the so-called chess facts that I must unlearn because of jrobichess. HE SUCKS!


Nonsense.  As Nystik stated.

Making generalisations of this nature just demonstrates a poor understanding of Chess.  You can't state that a Queen and Bishop are not good at working together, take a look at the example below which appears with regularity in mating patterns.  You will notice that the Queen and Bishop are working EXTREMELY well together.  There are other examples too, that's what makes Chess more interesting than general statements.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chess is positionally subjective.

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slatherdfoe
Nytik wrote:

Slatherdfoe:

Actually, the queen and bishop ARE a powerful combination. Set up correctly, they can form a 'battery' which will put extreme pressure on your opponents position, and can smash through their defences. Also, if your enemy has weakened himself on the light squares, a light-squared bishop and queen can be a formidable duo indeed.

 

Fiveofswords wrote:

uh..well..ive watched some of his videos...usually I agree which what he says, basically.

 I handful of times hes said something which i felt was a serious error, or misunderstanding, or common novice misconception.


Five of swords -

Jrobichess has poise and mannerism. He's easy to listen to. He's also had time to prepare internet annotations for his presentations. But even with these aids and preparation, he still doesn't really know what's going on. Really. Jrobichess is very shallow. He says what each single piece does in its move with very short-term goals. He is unable to tie moves into the whole flow of ideas in the game, and when he tries, he makes mental mistakes. That's a HUGE problem, and why beginners shouldn't be teaching chess on youtube. Who wants to learn mistakes? jrobichess just doesn't have the ability yet to tell a story from a chess game. This is a quality of a master player that he lacks, because you can see this quality of storytelling in the masters' youtube videos.

For you to say he has master potential is ODD. He prepared the videos from annotations that he got from the internet. He makes a good presentation but it's shallow, disconnected, and he makes serious mental mistakes. You said so yourself. You therefore have no basis from which to determine his chess potential. The only logical basis is that you made a thoughtful study of his games. I assume you did this since you wouldn't want to harm the reputation of the opinions you provide. Please tell us you did this.

Nytik -

The point being that in general, if you have a Queen and a Rook, or a Knight, or a Bishop, then the Bishop is the weakest. In your example, if the king has strong light squares then your light-square bishop is no good. This is EXACTLY what makes it the weakest counterpart for the Queen.

slatherdfoe
tonydal wrote:
slatherdfoe wrote:

The point being that in general, if you have a Queen and a Rook, or a Knight, or a Bishop, then the Bishop is the weakest. In your example, if the king has strong light squares then your light-square bishop is no good. This is EXACTLY what makes it the weakest counterpart for the Queen.


You really can't make such a generalization (or aar, you shouldn't).  There are too many other factors to consider.


Yes. You can. They call them,  Chess Rules of Thumb. Such as, The Knight on the rim is dim. Knights before Bishops. Never move a piece twice in an opening, etc.

Generally speaking, rules of thumb help beginners to understand chess. One of them is that Bishops are a little stronger than Knights. In duos with the Queen, Bishops are weaker because they only cover half the squares. You can set-up a position to show when the bishops are strong, in fact you can set-up a position to show when any RULE OF THUMB can be broken. But generalizations are important. I don't think ANYONE has learned chess otherwise.

"...think he has a good critical thinking process and that's whats important."

What's important is demonstrating critical thinking process in a game, not in a prepared presentation. If copying someone else's ideas and presenting them as your own is called critical thinking, then I'd agree.

admiralackbar

sorry Im late to the discussion-

Jrobi is the WORST source of information anywhere, be it book, vid, or forum.

 

edit: not to only stay on the negative, here are great youtubers you will enjoy-

1.kingscrusher

2.clausjensencom

3.chessnetwork

4.greencastleblock

slatherdfoe
Fiveofswords wrote:

wow some people really hate the guy. Everyone starts out with some serious misconceptions and oversimplifications in chess...I would be embarrassed to admit some of the things Ive said when i was learning the game...overall he seems to have less absurd opinions than i did at his strength lol. I just think he has a good critical thinking process and that's whats important.


One thing. The comparison you make is touching. The problem is that you weren't ARROGANT and DELUSIONAL enough to misbelieve you could be a CHESS TRAINER. It's not enough for him to make mistakes as a player. He's now got all his garbage "training videos" stinking up YouTube and makes it hard to find good instruction that way.

slatherdfoe
tonydal wrote:

Queen + knight tend to coordinate better when attacking a king than Q + B...but not in any other situation.


Aaar! That WAS the situation MAN!!!

TheFairMan

No, that guy is a total joke, and doesn't know what he's talking about... has that guy even played a game of chess, lol? My 12 year old brother can spot his errors from a mile away, and he's only started playing chess a month ago.

I say only watch him if you want a cheap laugh, but stay far away if you want to improve your game.

slatherdfoe

Five of Swords -

Kingscrusher, Tryfon Gavriel, posts his video updates to Twitter.Cool

gbidari

Jrobi is proof that anything said with an air of authority, no matter how inane can fool people. If in his videos he always came out and said "This is Jrobi, and I suck" I could respect that.

tarikhk

majnu 2006;

http://www.youtube.com/user/Majnu2006

he has a soft way of talking, and often focuses on positions rather than whole games, allowing for more detail and detailed analysis. Kingscrusher can rant( especially about Kotov) and that's annoying, but he still is the person whose videos I watch the most, because of the clear, strategic explanations of the game, and plus, he always updates. He's doing a series on the world championship as we speak.

an_arbitrary_name

KingsCrusher is very entertaining, and I've learned a lot from his videos.

I've never really tried jrobichess.  Looking at his videos now, they seem to be in some strange widescreen format.  I wonder if it's just me.

PrawnEatsPrawn

This guy is the absolute best, he taught both Fischer and Karpov:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U38TceQR7ro&NR=1

zxb995511
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:

This guy is the absolute best, he taught both Fischer and Karpov:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U38TceQR7ro&NR=1


wow that's so retarded it's actually funny...

PrawnEatsPrawn
zxb995511 wrote:
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:

This guy is the absolute best, he taught both Fischer and Karpov:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U38TceQR7ro&NR=1


wow that's so retarded it's actually funny...


I thought I had some tenuous handle on the game of chess until I discovered that guy, he opened my eyes to all the possibilities.

eXecute

Instead of arguing about who is better etc... The reality is this:

ALL OF THEM SUCK

Some of them are OK, but none of them are geniuses. You can't tell me you watched one single video and become enlightened from it, you might say "oh cool, so that's what that opening looks like." I think ChessNetwork is one of the best ones, but he doesn't have too many videos.

---- Now looking into the future ---

If anyone believes that they (with their high rating and high degree of knowledge) can actually do a better job by opening a youtube channel. I can definitely teach you everything there is to make pro-looking youtube videos (I can show you the tools, the set up, and how easy it is), and if you're popular enough, I can show you how to put ads on youtube videos. Just PM me, but only if you're at least 1600+ so that we aren't creating another jrobi.

drunkgoose

Wow, really? Is there any chance i can pay you vast amounts of money for that service?

 

Seriously slating other peoples youtube videos in order to market some needless service you're provided makes you seem like a bit of a tool.

In general everyones being a bit harsh on this Jrobi guy, even though i don't watch his vids i can see why people would. Reeks of jelously all this abuse.

Elubas

I'm glad somebody reminded me of this.

Yeah, jrobichess is not good. He does not understand chess, and he's simply a weak player. All of this would be fine, but it's annoying how he's trying to act like a teacher. Ok, jrobi could probably teach 800 players to be a little better.

"i can't imagin there are better commentators out there. he explains every move very clearly... but sadly he hasn't that much videos yet. so i need more other channels i can go to..."

He certainly tries to, but what he says is not very reliable and usually wrong at least on some level if not just completely.

Kingscrusher is quite decent for an amateur, but really no youtube videos compare to the ones by actual titled players.

"But hes a pretty objective and logical thinker and im sure that he will be master or expert soon. I think a novice could learn stuff watching his videos. Just be aware that he definately is not an expert yet."

Definitley not. All he knows about chess is good development, open lines, knowing that control of the center is good, and some elementary tactics. I haven't watched his videos in a long time though, and looking at his new videos he seems to have gotten noticeably better. Look at his alekhine's defense video. He claims the position to be better for black and thinks he's supposed to do a big kingside attack! sigh...

spoiler_alert

How many ways can you say Jrobi knows nothing without giving specific examples.  Everyone just keeps repeating themselves on this.  Its weird how someone so clueless can put together what is easily one of the most polished and comprehensive series of videos to be found on the internet.  Just compare his presentations to all the droning nobodys with terrible audio and worse accents out there. I guess they must be real chess geniuses so that's why they get away with terrible production values.  At least God gave Robi a broadcasters voice and diction and attention to detail and ability to communicate, etc.

But anyway, as far as Robi knowing nothing - I've seen most of  his opening videos, such as The Danish Gambit, Scandinavian Gambit, Evan's Gambit, Sicilian Nadjdorf,  King's Gambit (and his video's  of Fischer King's Gambit and Nadjdorf games) and many others. They're all in the Chess Opening's section of his video page at JRobi Chess.com  If anyone want's to point out some really egregious laughable things his saying in these videos to lead beginners astray,(which is what everyone is repeatedly implying he does)  then please point out some specific examples from these videos.

BTW,  I think Jesse Kraii is great too [sp?],  and his two part video on the Fried Liver and Lolli variation is fascinating - too me anyway.

ArchBadger

should be "kraai"