Does the site keep bots playing against humans?

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jzugzuang
I want to inform you that the purpose of my post is not to denigrate the site, I just look for information. Would you like to know if chess.com keeps bots playing against non-paying customers? The client sends a challenge, if the site system does not find a human player in X seconds, a bot comes on the site, so the impression is that the site is always full. If this is true, I want to inform you that I prefer to wait for a human player than to be playing against machines. My rating on two other sites is between 1600 and 1800 but at chess.com my rating has come to stay in 1090, hardly exceeds 1200, this is absolutely out of the ordinary. Most of the opponents I have faced in the rating range from 1100 to 1200 play strangely, look like robots, play above average in most bids, suddenly deliver material as if they were an apprentice. The names are also strange, it seems that they were created by some system that generates names at random. If the site uses bots to shorten the wait time for a match, it could at least inform that it is not a human opponent, and let me choose whether or not to play against a machine. I think this happens only with non-paying customers! Maybe that's why I've never resolved to be a paying customer. Thanks for listening.
 
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Quero informar que o intuito do meu post não é denegrir o site, apenas busco informações. Gostaria de saber se o chess.com mantém bots jogando contra clientes não pagantes? O cliente manda um desafio, se o sistema do site não encontrar um jogador humano em X segundos, entra em ação um bot do site, assim fica a impressão que o site está sempre lotado. Se isso for verdade, quero informar que prefiro esperar por um jogador humano, do que ficar jogando contra máquinas. Meu reting no entre 1600 e 1800. No chess.com meu ratinng chegou a ficar em 1090, dificilmente passa dos 1200, isso é absolutamente fora do normal. A maioria dos oponentes que tenho enfrentado na faixa de rating entre 1100 e 1200 jogam de maneira estranha, parecem com robôs, jogam acima da media na maioria dos lances, de repente entregam material como se fossem um aprendiz. Os nomes também são estranhos, parece que foram criados por algum sistema que gera nomes aleatoriamente. Se o site usa bots para diminuir o tempo de espera por uma partida, poderia pelo menos informar que não é um oponente humano, e deixar eu escolher se quero jogar ou não contra uma máquina. Acho que isso ocorre só com clientes não pagantes! Talvez por isso eu nunca tenha resolvido ser um cliente pagante. Obrigado pela atenção.

notmtwain
jzugzuang wrote:
I want to inform you that the purpose of my post is not to denigrate the site, I just look for information. Would you like to know if chess.com keeps bots playing against non-paying customers? The client sends a challenge, if the site system does not find a human player in X seconds, a bot comes on the site, so the impression is that the site is always full. If this is true, I want to inform you that I prefer to wait for a human player than to be playing against machines. My rating on two other sites is between 1600 and 1800, but at chess.com my ratinng has come to stay in 1090, hardly exceeds 1200, this is absolutely out of the ordinary. Most of the opponents I have faced in the rating range from 1100 to 1200 play strangely, look like robots, play above average in most bids, suddenly deliver material as if they were an apprentice. The names are also strange, it seems that they were created by some system that generates names at random. If the site uses bots to shorten the wait time for a match, it could at least inform that it is not a human opponent, and let me choose whether or not to play against a machine. I think this happens only with non-paying customers! Maybe that's why I've never resolved to be a paying customer. Thanks for listening.
 

I think you are mistaken. The fact that some people have strange names seems irrelevant .

If ratings are different between sites, that might reflect a different starting rating.

I guess I never get the impression I am playing against bots. I think that what you see mostly is new players on their way down. Get your rating above 1200 and play improves. Maybe play more than 3 games.

EagerOtter

Stop thinking homie, it ain't working for you.

jzugzuang
champruler2 escreveu:

I totally agree with you jzug.. chess.com does  not do much against engine players.. I also wonder if they want engines on this site at times.. 

I think the effort of chess.com to try to curb the use of cheating is fully recognized by the community, I have no doubts about it. My suspicions about possible bots that I refer to in my post are not used by users, but by chess.com itself, to simply decrease the waiting time for a match, and also to protect paying customers. I repeat: I think that only non-paying customers face this type of chess robot. The whole thing simply consists of: You send a challenge, if the system does not find a human adversary in X seconds, enter a bot from the site to play. That's my opinion, I can not prove it.

 

 

 

willitrhyme

I don't believe this would be necessary. At all times, there are thousands of players in Live.

roduri07

I am playing live almost all the time and I've played a few times only against a bot

If I want to play with someone and that someone doesn't answer I'll probably play with a regular joe that pops up

jzugzuang
willitrhyme escreveu:

I don't believe this would be necessary. At all times, there are thousands of players in Live.

 

Thousands in chessbase, lichess, chess.com among others less known, say millions of users playing online daily? This is an illusion fed by many. Do you really believe that at any time of the day, any day of the week, you launch a challenge and the system always meets an opponent in almost the same time? There is other evidence of bot use here, but I will not comment on it to create even more controversy. My rating on any club in the world is over 1900, on the most popular sites rotating between 1700 and 1800 on the blitz, my rating on the liches puzzles is 2300, I have over 2700 problems thrown. In chess.com I have to fight a lot to be able to stay in the 1300 rating, is this normal?

 

Nwap111

I am here to play chess with a person or a machine.  I do not think that  machines are playing you.  In fast chess, humans must play like machines, play the opening fast, which they can do, play cheapos, get you in bad positions.  But the people I have played made the same bad moves that I did.  That is fast chess.

jzugzuang
Chase960 escreveu:
No it is just that you are unhappy with your rating. Sorry mate but the truth hurts. xD
 
The truth is almost always purely subjective! I do not have a doubt about my chess, as specified in the last post, it is purely medium. But it is very well tested throughout my 48 years of age, in over a hundred thousand matches bullets, blitz, and thought-out clubs. I'm very calm about it. I also noticed a diamond in his nickname, as I said in other posts, in my opinion (which I can not prove) the problem only happens with non-paying customers, so I think your opinion is somewhat biased.

 

jzugzuang
Nwap111 escreveu:

I am here to play chess with a person or a machine.  I do not think that  machines are playing you.  In fast chess, humans must play like machines, play the opening fast, which they can do, play cheapos, get you in bad positions.  But the people I have played made the same bad moves that I did.  That is fast chess.

 

OK! That's the kind of opinion that interests me. Remember that you can configure the bots to make silly mistakes. Just watch programs like fritz for example where you can choose the difficulty level, usually until 1900 the program makes quite innocent mistakes for 1900. But one thing you will never get remove from an engine is coolness, play 1 minute against engine, however much it is set up to make silly mistakes, it will always be harder to play against a human at any level of play.

jzugzuang

I'll end up taking a ban. If any admin wants to close the topic ok. I have already seen to see that most do not agree with my opinion, I am defeated vote.

corum

I doubt this happens. However, what difference would it make. If you play a human rated 1200 or a bot rated 1200 why does this make a difference to you? Just enjoy the game!

 

123AbdulM

Another person was also complaining about this

jzugzuang
corum escreveu:

I doubt this happens. However, what difference would it make. If you play a human rated 1200 or a bot rated 1200 why does this make a difference to you? Just enjoy the game!

 

How does that make no difference? I want to play against humans, If I wanted to play against machines, I would not waste time connecting to websites, there are dozens of chess programs to play on the computer. But you said, "I doubt that will happen." Okay, looks like that's the majority opinion. As I said before, I am a defeated vote.

 

 

drmrboss

Do you know which icon you need to click to play vs human? evil.png

Tell me which icon is human and which one is bot?



 

Ziryab

Comparing sites is fraught with difficulties. Ratings will differ. At another site where the ratings are allegedly inflated, compared to chess.com, my own rating tends to run several hundred points below what it is here. At still another site, one that completely lacks any evidence of cheat detection, a 1600 whom I played a few days ago played more like a 2400.

drmrboss

My questions look silly but this is what happens if you dont ask them clearly!!.

 

dfgh123

Show an example game but with no names.

Nwap111

Zug.  You have a point. But even though it is possible to program a computer to play like a human, the people play bad moves consistent with their rating.  In other words,  certain ratings make the same error, usually tactical but even positional.  However, computer programmed errors are always material at the lowest levels and positional at the highest levels.  If you play their computer, you can easily feel the difference in play.

javiergomezzamora

yeahh they are use a bots... in my opinion, for improve their incomes.... sundely all oponents are smart and other times are stupids... i think Stupid= human, Well player (0 Mistakes) = PC...