Does Xiang Gi makes your Chess better, or the other way.

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bean_Fischer

For those who play Xianggi and Chess. I think Xianggi makes my chess better, but I don't play it anymore.

kamuimaru

Xianggi =/= chess

So no, I don't think so.

waffllemaster

How shallow do you think chess is?  Is it so bereft of complexity that you may as well play other games to increase your skill at it?  Threads like this...Undecided

To get better at chess, play and study chess.  It's actually a pretty difficult game to play well.  You can actually spend more than a few weeks on it before exhausting it.

Remellion

Chess made my xiangqi better. 10+ years of chess experience, about 2 of non-serious xiangqi, and I could more or less face off against people who studied xiangqi seriously.

Also note that arguably the best shogi player ever, Habu Yoshiharu, one day took up chess and played at FM strength. Very scary indeed.

Despite the different piece moves, I'd say the key is tactics. Shogi trains tactical vision like nothing else in the world, while also placing heavy emphasis on square control ("positional play" so to speak.) Xiangqi trains you to keep the tension in most positions (those "four pawns meet" openings are a nightmare) and calculate accurately mating patterns and races (many games end up like Mar del Plata KIDs.) Chess has the least emphasis on tactics, but has a unique aspect, positional play via long-range controlling pieces. It gives basic tactical awareness but no more, so probably doesn't help you improve in xiangqi or shogi.

waffllemaster
Remellion wrote:

Chess made my xiangqi better. 10+ years of chess experience, about 2 of non-serious xiangqi, and I could more or less face off against people who studied xiangqi seriously.

Also note that arguably the best shogi player ever, Habu Yoshiharu, one day took up chess and played at FM strength. Very scary indeed.

Despite the different piece moves, I'd say the key is tactics. Shogi trains tactical vision like nothing else in the world, while also placing heavy emphasis on square control ("positional play" so to speak.) Xiangqi trains you to keep the tension in most positions (those "four pawns meet" openings are a nightmare) and calculate accurately mating patterns and races (many games end up like Mar del Plata KIDs.) Chess has the least emphasis on tactics, but has a unique aspect, positional play via long-range controlling pieces. It gives basic tactical awareness but no more, so probably doesn't help you improve in xiangqi or shogi.

mmhmm

Remellion

...Poorly phrased on my part. What I meant is that knowing tactics in chess allowed me to skip the 4 years or so of hanging pieces and missing mates that most people suffer. I've done my time in chess, so could avoid the same pain in xiangqi. But chess gives nothing more of value than that.

bean_Fischer
waffllemaster wrote:

How shallow do you think chess is?  Is it so bereft of complexity that you may as well play other games to increase your skill at it?  Threads like this...

To get better at chess, play and study chess.  It's actually a pretty difficult game to play well.  You can actually spend more than a few weeks on it before exhausting it.

I played Xiang Gi before Chess. So, I know a little bit of Xianggi. I was a children of 6.

Because I couldn't find Xaing Gi partner, and most of my neigborhood played chess, I switched to chess.

But, as I find out, my skill in Xiang Gi improves my Chess.

Xiang Gi has 90 points, vs Chess 64 squares. But Chess pieces are more mobile compared to Xiang Gi. The limitation on Xiang Gi and more points certainly make it a little bit harder. I don't mean Chess is easier.

Especially the blocking technique in Xiang Gi when applies to Chess works efectively. Players who are good in Xiang Gi apply this technique better in Chess.

waffllemaster

What I mean is, it seems like reaching over your head with your right hand to scratch your left ear.

IIRC it was Marcel Duchamp who was an artist for many years, and when he took up chess, he was very good at visualizing the moves and could even play blindfold easily because all his years as an artist.

But I'm not going to start painting to improve my chess.

bean_Fischer
waffllemaster wrote:

What I mean is, it seems like reaching over your head with your right hand to scratch your left ear.

IIRC it was Marcel Duchamp who was an artist for many years, and when he took up chess, he was very good at visualizing the moves and could even play blindfold easily because all his years as an artist.

But I'm not going to start painting to improve my chess.

Where on earth do I even suggest chess players to play Xianggi to improve chess skill?

I just want to know the experience of Xiang Gi and chess players.

waffllemaster

I misunderstood.

Remellion

I play chess/xiangqi/shogi/janggi/whatever because I like it. Any benefits or improvements we get across chesses are gravy, since it is horribly inefficient to study one type by playing another.