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draw claimed but not given????
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Is it really possible?
No, the position just has to occur 3 times....as on moves 31, 33, and 35....look up the rule....
don't understand this...
Was this online?
BobbyTalparov wrote:
universityofpawns wrote:
No, the position just has to occur 3 times....as on moves 31, 33, and 35....look up the rule....
It has to be the same position with the same person to move (per the rule). You are in the same position, but it is his move. To claim the draw, you play Ke1 and then press 'Draw'.
wrong, here is the rule:
the threefold repetition rule (also known as repetition of position) states that a player can claim a draw if the same position occurs three times, or will occur after their next move, with the same player to move. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold_repetition
TremaniSunChild wrote:
Was this online?
yes, was right here on chess.com if you hit the initial link I gave above it takes you to the game....
Did you press the claim draw icon? Is it still there? Did you mistakenly hit cancel instead of confirm? Maybe you might have to claim it on your turn. Otherwise contact chess.com
bb_gum234 wrote:
BobbyTalparov wrote:
universityofpawns wrote:
No, the position just has to occur 3 times....as on moves 31, 33, and 35....look up the rule....
It has to be the same position with the same person to move (per the rule). You are in the same position, but it is his move. To claim the draw, you play Ke1 and then press 'Draw'.
It really has appeared 3 times (with the same person to move), chess.com is silly not to allow the claim here. If his opponent has a conditional move to break the repetition then playing Ke1 might remove the draw. OTB chess doesn't work like online chess so he should be able to claim it now.
Yeah, right! That is basically what I am trying to say...I did move and then claim a draw....chess.com is supposed to "act like" the arbiter and honor my intent to claim a draw as soon as I hit the draw button, if a position has re-occurred 3 times.
BobbyTalparov wrote:
bb_gum234 wrote:
In a tournament game black could claim a draw after white's 35th by e.g. writing down 35...Qc5, stopping the clock, and calling the arbiter. Online is clearly different, white shouldn't be able to avoid the draw by repetition.
If chess.com would have let him claim it with something like 35.Kf2, black claims draw and plays 35...Qc5, that's fine, but I didn't think it works like that.
The online implementation (which is consistent with ICC and LiChess): White plays Ke1 next move, Black hits the draw button and the game ends in a draw.
Position 1 is seen at 32 (white to move). Position 2 is seen at 34 (white to move). Position 3 is seen at 36 (white to move - the current position). So, white can claim the draw right now, or he can play Ke1 again and black can claim it next turn. Or, he can play something else, and when they come back to this position again (several moves from now), black can claim it then. The only way for white to avoid the draw by repetition is to change the position (e.g. move a pawn, trade a piece, etc).
I guess in online chess they should call it "fourfold repetition" then, because that is what it would be, the position would have to recur 4 times not 3, because if you just follow the moves the exact same position has occurred 3 times....it's a ripoff.
When did you try to claim the draw? If you pressed the draw button before the 3rd time actually showed on the board (i.e., before 35. ... Qc5), then it would still be an offer, not a claim. The draw button would not function as a claim until after black's 35th move.
If that is when you pressed the button (after your move), then there does seem to be a problem and you should submit an official bug report.
As you say, in a tournament, black could claim a draw before they make their move, but here the actual position must be played (as there is no way on this site to signal intent to make a certain move without actually making the move).
If the draw button is not appearing when you go to the game now, then you may have to wait for your opponent to accept or decline the offer, first.
I claimed it at the current position after move 35 was complete....it said "offer/claim a draw", clicked it and it said "you have offered a draw", but it did not claim it for some reason???? I have been here a while and know the rules and what I am doing and this is the first anything this stupid has happened to me.
Maybe I will get lucky and the opponent will agree, but I doubt it because he is up an outside pawn, which usually leads to a win just by trade down....also he is new or a sandbagger because his rating has gone up considerably while I was playing him....
The first chess website I ever used just automatically ended repeats in a draw. Played there a long time and got used to it. I kind of like it better because sometimes there isn't enough time to claim a draw in low clock situations.
i think it changed to 5 fold
SnapeSaysAlways wrote:
i think it changed to 5 fold
No. The 5-fold rule is in addition to the 3-fold rule and is different in that it is an automatic draw. Not sure if chess.com implements the 5-fold rule.
BobbyTalparov wrote:
universityofpawns wrote:
BobbyTalparov wrote:
bb_gum234 wrote:
In a tournament game black could claim a draw after white's 35th by e.g. writing down 35...Qc5, stopping the clock, and calling the arbiter. Online is clearly different, white shouldn't be able to avoid the draw by repetition.
If chess.com would have let him claim it with something like 35.Kf2, black claims draw and plays 35...Qc5, that's fine, but I didn't think it works like that.
The online implementation (which is consistent with ICC and LiChess): White plays Ke1 next move, Black hits the draw button and the game ends in a draw.
Position 1 is seen at 32 (white to move). Position 2 is seen at 34 (white to move). Position 3 is seen at 36 (white to move - the current position). So, white can claim the draw right now, or he can play Ke1 again and black can claim it next turn. Or, he can play something else, and when they come back to this position again (several moves from now), black can claim it then. The only way for white to avoid the draw by repetition is to change the position (e.g. move a pawn, trade a piece, etc).
I guess in online chess they should call it "fourfold repetition" then, because that is what it would be, the position would have to recur 4 times not 3, because if you just follow the moves the exact same position has occurred 3 times....it's a ripoff.
Incorrect. You cannot claim a draw on his turn. He can claim the draw right now. If he plays Ke1, you can claim it next turn. In fact, (based on a recent game with a friend of mine in my archive), you could have claimed it last move, but you did not.
Incorrect, that is just the point...I did claim it, it did not give it to me.
I don't have any examples at the moment, but I'm pretty sure I've claimed a draw while it was my opponent's turn. I usually switch to "Stay on this game" before I make my move simply so I don't have take time to re-open the game, and the Claim Draw button is available after I make my move (assuming that my opponent didn't have a conditional move set up in advance that breaks the repetition).
https://www.chess.com/daily/game/161781378
it's draw, I claimed it but it was not given....for some reason????