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on chess.com you can offer draw before making a move.

I think it would be better if draws could only be offered when you have made a move.
otherwise a player can make a draw offer before and after moving.

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this could be changed so that offer draw was a checkbox when you submit move.

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In OTB chess you cannot offer draw before moving.

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In OTB you can offer a draw when it is your turn to move.  Which means:  before, during or after your move.

Offering a draw (or doing pretty much anything else) during your opponent's move, might be seen as distracting your opponent.

sftac

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9.1 B the chess handbook

A player wishing to offer a draw shall do so after having made a move on the chessboard and before stopping his clock and starting the opponent’s clock. An offer at any other time during play is still valid but Article 12.6 must be considered. No conditions can be attached to the offer. In both cases the offer cannot be withdrawn and remains valid until the opponent accepts it, rejects it orally, rejects it by touching a piece with the intention of moving or capturing it, or the game is concluded in some other way.

12.6 It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims, unreasonable offers of a draw or the introduction of a source of noise into the playing area

http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=124&view=article

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Which means exactly what the duck said, you can offer a draw any time as long as it doesn't distract your opponent. However, your opponent may (by custom) demand to see your move before giving a response, either OTB or online.

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ivandh wrote:

Which means exactly what the duck said, you can offer a draw any time as long as it doesn't distract your opponent. However, your opponent may (by custom) demand to see your move before giving a response, either OTB or online.


I have just read it in the handbook. I wonder why every arbiter I have talked with have told me a draw offer has to be done after moving. ignoring the rest of the rule.

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TD's aren't always good. Sometimes they just grab the first guy who knows how the knight moves.

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bobbyDK wrote: 12.6 It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims, unreasonable offers of a draw or the introduction of a source of noise into the playing area

I wonder, would that include not bathing for several weeks?  Or being a smoker, showing up in unlaundered clothing (stinking of foul smelling rancid tobacco tars)?

sftac 

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Well of course there is the story of Nimzowitsch complaining of Lasker's tobacco on the table. As for olfactory assaults, I suppose it would take an egregious effort to be worthy of any action by the arbiter, since little short of outright forfeit could be arranged.

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I'd be all for a shower at the entranceway, or at least issuing loaner jackets for those with reeking sweaters and jackets.

sftac

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your clock stops after making your move on here, I think its polite to make the offer before your next move.

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