Draw problem

darklight233

Why do people play a game that is a draw with best play? Magnus vs fabiano was a FULLY drawn match. How can anyone put up with this? As if theory wasn't bad enough, one makes 100 moves just to draw. What is the point? I'm just going to play 3 check, crazyhouse, king of the hill and 960 now.

IMBacon

HUH???

 

darklight233
IMBacon wrote:

HUH???

 

Do you waste your families time too? Or did they abandon you for doing something useless in your life? Edit: sorry, maybe too harsh i guess.

IMBacon

"Why do people play a game that is a draw with best play?"

Because us humans dont play "best play" moves all the time.

"Magnus vs fabiano was a FULLY drawn match."

Stating the obvious.  Yes it was.

"How can anyone put up with this?"

Because it was a match with many exiting games.

"As if theory wasn't bad enough..."

Theory has no impact on your games.

"...one makes 100 moves just to draw."

Draws are part of the game.

"What is the point?"

To learn, and have fun.

I'm just going to play 3 check, crazyhouse, king of the hill and 960 now.

Ok

After looking at some of your games.  "Theory" and draws are not involved in your games.  So just enjoy the game. 

 

stiggling
darklight233 wrote:

Why do people play a game that is a draw with best play?

Because they're not beginners.

Learning how to set problems for your opponent in objectively equal positions is part of graduating from crap to decent. Usually this is learned in OTB competition. Most players don't learn it for many years.

IMBacon
darklight233 wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

HUH???

 

Do you waste your families time too? Or did they abandon you for doing something useless in your life? Edit: sorry, maybe too harsh i guess.

Its not harsh, its the standard online insult.  The only thing you left out was adding that i live in my parents basement.

 

AlisonHart

Sometimes I wonder if it's good for us as chess players to have so much access to the top level of competition. It tricks a lot of people into believing "1.e5 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 - DRAW" But, let me tell you, I've played the infamous Berlin wall with black, and my level of sophistication is nowhere near the point of it being "drawn". Black suffers intensely for very small mistakes, and you have to know how to play it. Even if you do, those games take FOREVER and analyzing them is an exercise in pain.

 

I quit e5, took up Sicilian full time, and now I have a lot more fun......because I'm not a world class GM, neither are you. OH, and - even if you are - check out Tata Steel this year. Super GMs are finding new ways to blow our own minds (and theirs) every single tournament.

darklight233
AlisonHart wrote:

Sometimes I wonder if it's good for us as chess players to have so much access to the top level of competition. It tricks a lot of people into believing "1.e5 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 - DRAW" But, let me tell you, I've played the infamous Berlin wall with black, and my level of sophistication is nowhere near the point of it being "drawn". Black suffers intensely for very small mistakes, and you have to know how to play it. Even if you do, those games take FOREVER and analyzing them is an exercise in pain.

 

I quit e5, took up Sicilian full time, and now I have a lot more fun......because I'm not a world class GM, neither are you. OH, and - even if you are - check out Tata Steel this year. Super GMs are finding new ways to blow our own minds (and theirs) every single tournament.

Yeah, i exclusively play the ruy lopez najdorf and kings indian defense, because i hate draws. Problem is drawing chances make the effort seem pointless and no fun. Abd without fun, what is the point?

AlisonHart

Drawing chances make everything fun.........Tal lived and died by the mantra of "drawing chances" - that's how he got away with all those sacrifices. He would often calculate a perpetual check just in case the sac didn't work.

 

Drawing is part of the game. And -whatever may be "drawn" at the 2700 level - you aren't personally getting into dead, theoretical middlegames, whispering to your opponent "Tis Karpov - Kramnik '92, old bean - shall we have a draw then?" You're commenting on the fact that last year's WCC wasn't a lot of fun, and you're right, but that doesn't mean that chess is dead at all levels to all people....it isn't even dead at the WCC level, Magnus just refused to play his winning position because he wanted to strut like a peacock in a speed chess contest.

praanav123
Yes
fishyvishy

Before fighting, people always draw their sword. Chess is like a sword fight.