Draws by repetition on this site are not being called correctly

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My experience is that it works when the opponent has repeated positions three times and you press the draw button - a message appears saying how the game was drawn. Are you referring to the situation where there is not a 3-fold repetition of position yet, but you can make a move to create a 3-fold repetition of position? In an OTB game a draw would be taken here by claiming the draw and making the move (I'd do them simultaneously, which is probably FIDE-compliant, as my move is only irrevocable when I take my hand off the piece, and only really complete when I press the clock). It's not often that an opponent would get into such a position without being happy with the draw as well, but it could happen.

Is the claim that on the server here, if you make a draw claim and make the move that creates the repetition, the server does not award a draw?

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boardGremlin wrote:

 Three move repetition is a draw- end of!


Not end off. It's a draw if one of the players claim the draw. Just like in real chess, FIDE and stuff, you know?Cool

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boardGremlin wrote:

there is a problem!!!


The problem seems to be your misunderstanding of the rule.

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boardGremlin:

Some people reading this topic are simply missing the point.

On OTB, there is a rule for the three-fold repetition.  When the situation occurs, the game is declared a draw, if one of the players claims it and it can be proven!

But online, there is a problem.  It depends on where you're playing.

When a three-fold repetition occurs in other chess websites, their servers or "chess systems" AUTOMATICALLY declare the game a DRAW!

Not here at chesss.com!  Here at chesss.com, even when you claim a draw but the other player refuses the claim, you will still lose the game when your time runs out.

It's frustrating, for sure, but you just have to accept that fact and there's nothing you can do about it.  And even if you try to find some answers to the problem(s), you will be attacked by some of the readers, as if you don't know what you're talking about.  It happened to me.

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DanteBanez_AbraPinoy wrote:
Not here at chesss.com!  Here at chesss.com, even when you claim a draw but the other player refuses the claim, you will still lose the game when your time runs out.

 


This is nonsense.

If you have a valid draw claim, the other person cannot decline.

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rooperi:

Nonsense?  Have you ever been in a situation(s) before?  I have many many times, and other supposed to be drawn games, as well!

After the three-fold repetition occurred, I clicked the "draw" button, but my opponent still made a move. which meant he refused the offer and the game continued on and so is my time.  I lost the game(s) when my time ran out.  In some cases, positions even occurred more than three times!

In the situation(s) above, when your opponent keeps on making a move after you claim a draw, what are you gonna do?  How are you gonna say you have a valid claim? 

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DanteBanez_AbraPinoy wrote:

rooperi:

Nonsense?  Have you ever been in a situation(s) before?

From my stats page:

Drawn: 185 (5%)

[edit] Unless you are talking about live, I must admit I dont often play there. But it definitely works for online.

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boardGremlin wrote:

I joined this thread because a game I'm playing at the moment just had three consecutive moves the same, and I also was expecting a draw announcement!  Three move repetition is a draw- end of!  If chess.com does not have this, then there is a problem!!!


this one seemed to work its way out. 

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If there has been a threefold repetition, then pressing Offer Draw will result in a a draw being automatically declared. But you need to press the button. (And yes, I've been in the situation.)

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I was playing a live game about a week ago where I used draw flag to force a draw by threefold, and it worked instantly and fine for me.    All I'll say is that I know a lot of people are confused about the rules.   If anyone encounters a situation where you think there's a bug, write to support with a link to the game in your archive, and a screenshot showing you pressing the draw flag and it not working (so we can see what move you were on).

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The situation that is in question is when you need to play a move to create a threefold repetition. Does the system accept the draw if you press the button before you move, analogous to FIDE rules? It is essential that it does, because your opponent could reply in a millisecond, with a move that breaks the repetition.

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Elroch wrote:

The situation that is in question is when you need to play a move to create a threefold repetition. Does the system accept the draw if you press the button before you move, analogous to FIDE rules? It is essential that it does, because your opponent could reply in a millisecond, with a move that breaks the repetition.


No, it does not.

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/looking-for-a-guinea-pig