E4 or D4?

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The great debate is open once again... what

is a better opening D4 or E4?

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e4. This opens up a diagonal for both your Queen and your King's Bishop.

d4 only opens up a diagonal for the Queen's bishop. 

--vpundith 

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e4. As the great Bobby Fischer once said, "Best by test."

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lol kool

...any D4 lovers...

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I used to play Nf3 and won some games with it but never played d4.

Any truth to the theory that e4 tends to lead more to attacking games while d4 tends more to lead to positional games? I read that a long time ago; don't remember where, though, or if it's true

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D4 richard..i mean dick...

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Looks like bulletheadbilly's trolling lol

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lol

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Even though I dont play either, I would say 1.d4 for white. I dont like any for black.

 

White's pawn is protected by the queen and it prevents  1.e4.        Simple. 

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e4.

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It depends.

E4 is actually more efficient, but it has been exhaustively analyzed for centuries. So it is difficult to obtain any opening advantage against an opening expert who knows the e4 lines really well. Many lines even go beyond 25 moves. To some people, it becomes a rote memorization until half the middlegame phase. This is why at high level competitions some people avoid e4.

D4 is the next safe candidate. By safe, it means it still operate within a similar opening principles as the tried-and-true e4. It doesn't give up the center control while still trying to stay away from well-analyzed lines. D4 was once considered unsound until positional techniques improves. So d4 gained popularity only with the coming of modern chess. As a result, it is not as well-analyzed as e4, and there is still plenty of room for creativity. (With the era of chess computer, probably d4 will end up the same fate as e4 pretty soon.)

C4, Nf3, etc. are mostly the result of hyper-modern school of thoughts. They are flexible openings that can transpose into many known and unknown lines. They are less safe than d4 or e4 because they don't follow the classic opening principles. They let the opponent occupy the center. Some lines even cause you to lose development tempo. How well you play this kind of openings depends on how well you control the opponent and whether you manage to fight back the center later. The advantage of this kind of openings is its flexibility. It's a good choice if you happen to play without preparation against a well-prepared opponent.

So is it e4, d4, or others? I say it depends on whom I am facing and the situation I am in. In general, for training, it is best to play e4 as it teaches the most efficient chess. You can still carry over some of the things you learn in e4 to d4 and others.

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hankas wrote:

It depends.

E4 is actually more efficient, but it has been exhaustively analyzed for centuries. So it is difficult to obtain any opening advantage against an opening expert who knows the e4 lines really well. Many lines even go beyond 25 moves. To some people, it becomes a rote memorization until half the middlegame phase. This is why at high level competitions some people avoid e4.

D4 is the next safe candidate. By safe, it means it still operate within a similar opening principles as the tried-and-true e4. It doesn't give up the center control while still trying to stay away from well-analyzed lines. D4 was once considered unsound until positional techniques improves. So d4 gained popularity only with the coming of modern chess. As a result, it is not as well-analyzed as e4, and there is still plenty of room for creativity. (With the era of chess computer, probably d4 will end up the same fate as e4 pretty soon.)

C4, Nf3, etc. are mostly the result of hyper-modern school of thoughts. They are flexible openings that can transpose into many known and unknown lines. They are less safe than d4 or e4 because they don't follow the classic opening principles. They let the opponent occupy the center. Some lines even cause you to lose development tempo. How well you play this kind of openings depends on how well you control the opponent and whether you manage to fight back the center later. The advantage of this kind of openings is its flexibility. It's a good choice if you happen to play without preparation against a well-prepared opponent.

So is it e4, d4, or others? I say it depends on whom I am facing and the situation I am in. In general, for training, it is best to play e4 as it teaches the most efficient chess. You can still carry over some of the things you learn in e4 to d4 and others.

Well written!

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I'd go with e4. It opens up both the Queen's and the Bishop's diagonals. It gives more open play. 

d4 is slightly less open and gives tactical play. 

That's what I read somewhere but I prefer e4 since I know more lines from that. 

Sam, play the one you feel comfortable, not the one everyone plays. Make sure you know the continuation lines and traps of the opening you play. 

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theskyisblue808 wrote:

D4 is better. Look at the percentages :) Anand played d4 for the longest time because its the best ;)

Anand actually played e4 for the longest time.

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that's not the type of question you should ask. learn some middle game tactics and basic end game theory. Only then if you're interested try opening theory. that's should do more than enoughCool 

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Best by test: 1.e4.

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...Just realised that someone had already said that. Sorry...

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i prefer E4 because it is more attacking..... i like the ruy lopez opening and the kings gambit but i must say that D4 is way more solid. Any other thoughts

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I like the King's Gambit also, but you have to be careful- If you aren't, you could be taken apart in about 10 moves.

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very true :)