Einstein, Buddha, and Elon Musk on Chess as a Waste of Time

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<<Albert Einstein, the greatest genius, also held little regard for chess. His alleged assertion, "An hour spent on chess is an hour robbed from the universe's grand equation," speaks volumes about the game's true value. He saw chess not as a treasure trove of wisdom, but as a distractor from the cosmos' grand mysteries that deserved our true attention and intellectual curiosity.>>

One thing is that Einstein wasn't "the greatest genius", since most of his judgements were wrong. He got lucky and also, much was due to his wife, Mileva Maric. Just showing off his pomposity there. He was friends with Emmanuel Lasker, wasn't he? They played chess a bit and Einstein was no good at it. They talked a lot on their walks together. I think they both wanted to be identified as the sort who had clever people as friends. Einstein's judgement, maybe on anything, becomes worthless, when you understand what his true character was.

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<<<But the condemnation of chess extends beyond the scientific sphere and into the realm of spiritual enlightenment. The Buddha, in the Vinaya Pitaka, explicitly warned of the potential negligence born from certain games. He admonished, "Whereas some honorable recluses and brahmins, while living on food offered by the faithful, indulge in the following games that are a basis for negligence: aṭṭhapada (a game played on an eight-row chess-board); dasapada (a game played on a ten-row chess-board)."

In essence, Buddha recognized games like chess as distractions, as snares that ensnare the mind and divert it from the path of spiritual growth and mindfulness. He understood these games to be impediments to achieving a higher state of spiritual consciousness.>>>

Big deal. Buddha was a spoiled little rich boy: a princeling, who rebelled from his life of thoughtless luxury and who renounced it.

A well rounded person is not frightened of a little distraction. There's room for a lot of things in the life-span of a normal human and perhaps the length of time it took him to achieve some kind of enlightenment means that he was more confused than normal and was subject to more attachments than normal. Clearly, the attachment to "enlightenment" was one form of it he may never have got past.

Humans have time for distractions. The important thing is not to immerse ourselves so much in distractions that the real world becomes invisible to us.

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:
long_quach wrote:
JavaScript781 wrote:
long_quach wrote:

@VerifiedChessYarshe

Nobody is denying that humans created AI, stupid.

The question is: What is the first task AI took on to demonstrate its promise?

Calling others stupid can result in a mute, or even a ban if repeated multiple times. Bet you didn't know that.

What is the penalty for being stupid?

Not a joke. A serious question.

There is no penalty for being stupid, however calling someone stupid no matter how stupid they are nits rude so it deserves a penalty.

There should be, because there is a cost.

10 stupid people in a room, 1 smart person.

10 stupid people should shut up and let the smart person speak.


Is it rude to tell the truth?

"A farmer bought a well from a rich smart man. The farmer who lived a simple life (low iq needed) go to the well to get water, the rich man said "I only sold you the well, not the water". The farmer was sad and try his luck in court, the judge asks: "Why wont you let the farmer get the water from the well?" the man said: Because i only sold him the well not the water" the judge smiled: "If you sold the well to the farmer then you have no right to keep your water in the well...."

The rich smart man lost the case."

Even if your smart you will pay the price for harming the people who were unlucky and not smart.

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:
 

There is no penalty for being stupid,

Let me demonstrate my superior intelligence.

Being stupid is its own penalty.

Let me demonstrate more:

Being stupid isnt because of someone's own actions, its because a tutor didnt teach them well and led them harming the society. There are people who also got "Down" disorder. But they are still apart of our wonderful human race. I will let you know that anyone you argued with are not stupid and only you are the one.

But dont worry, dont speak too soon, soon artificial intelligence will conquer earth and our understandings about space, our intelligence will be improved significantly. Our lifestyles will improve as well.

I will repeat that your tutor (whoever the heck taught you) didnt taught you well and you're being stubborn as your personality.

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@Long_quach being stupid doesnt get a penalty, in fact they are caused by our nature's actions. These 0rphan kids who lost their parents may be stupid but they cant be blamed

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VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

I will let you know that anyone you argued with are not stupid and only you are the one.

There are only 2 possibilities. I'm right or I am wrong.

I am willing to die and willing to kill for my ideas.

Are you?

Your ideas like Germany in 1941 ideas may be good and perfect for you and the people who like the same (Like German officers liked Kitler ideas) but it will not fit to anyone else

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Actually Buddha realized a cosmic truth.

That Life is a zero sum game.

The herbivores eat the grass, the carnivores eat the herbivores, When the carnivora dies, the plants consume them. The Circle of Life, Hakuma Matada.

Life is a circle of endless violence, tooth and claw and thorns.

Chess is perfect meditation on this cycle of eating and being eaten.

Like the UFC.

Anderson Silva snapped his leg on Chris Weidman. Chis Weidman snaps his leg on somebody else.

This endless game of living and dying.

Chess is the perfect meditation for that understanding.

Whatever he might have realised, there's a lot he didn't realise, as you seem to be pointing out.

Regarding life as a zero-sum game, I'm not sure that if he actually thought that, he was right.

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(I'd just love to see an attempted mathematical proof that life is a zero sum game. Obviously, game theory would be in its element. The difficulty lies in making sure you are weighing ALL the factors.)

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@VerifiedChessYarshe

There you go again, showing your ignorance.

WW2 didn't begin with WW2.

WW2 is only the continuation of WW1, just like movie sequels.

That's correct. WW2 was mainly due to the French and Americans imposing the Versailles Treaty on Germany, which Britain opposed but was outvoted, since Russia didn't play any part in the decision-making, if my memory of reading about it serves me correctly. It just goes to show that if Macron sends troops into Russia, no-one should support him.

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VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:
long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:
long_quach wrote:
JavaScript781 wrote:
long_quach wrote:

@VerifiedChessYarshe

Nobody is denying that humans created AI, stupid.

The question is: What is the first task AI took on to demonstrate its promise?

Calling others stupid can result in a mute, or even a ban if repeated multiple times. Bet you didn't know that.

What is the penalty for being stupid?

Not a joke. A serious question.

There is no penalty for being stupid, however calling someone stupid no matter how stupid they are nits rude so it deserves a penalty.

There should be, because there is a cost.

10 stupid people in a room, 1 smart person.

10 stupid people should shut up and let the smart person speak.


Is it rude to tell the truth?

"A farmer bought a well from a rich smart man. The farmer who lived a simple life (low iq needed) go to the well to get water, the rich man said "I only sold you the well, not the water". The farmer was sad and try his luck in court, the judge asks: "Why wont you let the farmer get the water from the well?" the man said: Because i only sold him the well not the water" the judge smiled: "If you sold the well to the farmer then you have no right to keep your water in the well...."

The rich smart man lost the case."

Even if your smart you will pay the price for harming the people who were unlucky and not smart.

Haven't heard that one before. Very good.

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long_quach wrote:

@VerifiedChessYarshe

There you go again, showing your ignorance.

WW2 didn't begin with WW2.

WW2 is only the continuation of WW1, just like movie sequels.

I cant understand what you are trying to prove, your correct im ignoring your useless point. I dont wanna discuss about this or i will get banned.

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

There is no penalty for being stupid, however calling someone stupid no matter how stupid they are is rude so it deserves a penalty.

Stupid people should shut up and let smart people talk.

Society would be better for it instead of being drowned out by stupid voices.

Who is stupid can you prove? I think your sentence is correct because you should let me and the other people talk instead of you losing the arguement and being stubborn.

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@Long_quach there is no such thing as a game in life except yourself. A game has its own objective. Humans dont need to do what any experts would recommend. You can change everything in seconds. Life is your game and you can change everything the way you want, just a bit of patience. There is no game set up by any 3rd party entity. Just like chess its your power, its your kingdom and you wont lose it to some crooks. There is no game except the starter game set up by yourself from when you were born to the end.

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@Optimissed

I'm supposed to be the smart one. I'll give it a shot.

In the human world.

In life, I noticed that the higher pay the job, the more difficult it is, the fewer people can do them.

I learned that first in ping-pong. After a month, I can bet 50% of people playing ping-pong in the neighborhood. Then I realized it gets harder and harder to beat the rest. Heck it took about 10 years to be "champion of the neighborhood", which I was.

Then I learned it in chess. Then I learned it in life.

It's like we are paid equally proportionally the difficulty of the job.


You can see it in Nature. Whatever strategies, it all works out the same.

The rabbit is fast, but die young. Live fast, die young.

The turtle is slow, but lives for centuries.

Race them from start to the end of life, they will cover the same distance.


Every plant, herbivore, carnivore plays the game of life. It's like rock-paper-scissor. It all comes out the same.

You're thinking in physical terms only. I'm a life-long atheist, which gives me a big advantage over neo-atheists.

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I was also very keen on table tennis, at one time, although unlike you, I played almost solely against one particular friend. I was keen on tennis, too, but played against different friends,

Worms are slow and they live for two or three years, if I remember right.

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5. What are you even saying?? People still walk long distances!

But we still play chess, for thousands and thousands of years.

People don't bicycle anymore.

I never learned to drive.

I rode a bicycle to got to places, like people in cars do. To go to work. To go to the grocery store, etc . . .

When I see someone on a bicycle, they have on a stupid spandex suit, "bicycling" for exercise.

That's not real. I am real.

No one asked but my friends all love to bike and like to go outside consistantly why? Because it's healthy it's part of human nature to go and exercise maybe people are doing it less because of the internet but it hasn't stopped intirely

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long_quach wrote:

@Optimissed

I'm supposed to be the smart one. I'll give it a shot.

In the human world.

there are plenty of smart people in the world jat includes people who are smarter than you 

In life, I noticed that the higher pay the job, the more difficult it is, the fewer people can do them.

I learned that first in ping-pong. After a month, I can bet 50% of people playing ping-pong in the neighborhood. Then I realized it gets harder and harder to beat the rest. Heck it took about 10 years to be "champion of the neighborhood", which I was.

Then I learned it in chess. Then I learned it in life.

It's like we are paid equally proportionally(nope there are a lot of high paying easy jobs they are just rare) the difficulty of the job.


You can see it in Nature. Whatever strategies, it all works out the same.

The rabbit is fast, but die young. Live fast, die young.

The turtle is slow, but lives for centuries.

Race them from start to the end of life, they will cover the same distance.


Every plant, herbivore, carnivore plays the game of life. It's like rock-paper-scissor. It all comes out the same.

Bro stop flattering yourself

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long_quach wrote:
VerifiedChessYarshe wrote:

I will let you know that anyone you argued with are not stupid and only you are the one.

There are only 2 possibilities. I'm right or I am wrong.

I am willing to die and willing to kill for my ideas.

Are you?

Have you ever heard of being right and wrong at the same time ? Politicians are good at this

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@long_quach, what is the point of having a chess.com account and playing no chess?