- "Einstein called chess a waste of time, what do you think?"
It seems to me that... in the long run... everything is just a way to fill in time.
Einstein called chess a waste of time, what do you think?
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Nov 7, 2022
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#683
Optimissed wrote:
Also, in their separation agreement, why did he promise to give her the entire Nobel Prize money, provided that she never ever spoke about their early work together? There were other conditions, too.
It seems there would be no reason to gag her, if she had no input.
And if you watch the right documentary, you'll come out believing the Kurt Cobain didn't kill himself.
As far as conspiracy theories, if it's something I don't care about, then I'm fine with believing what most people believe because it's an easy way to filter out nonsense. It's a fun idea that Einstein's wife was the real genius, but real life is usually not nearly so entertaining.
NervesofButter wrote:
llama36 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Also, in their separation agreement, why did he promise to give her the entire Nobel Prize money, provided that she never ever spoke about their early work together? There were other conditions, too.
It seems there would be no reason to gag her, if she had no input.
And if you watch the right documentary, you'll come out believing the Kurt Cobain didn't kill himself.
As far as conspiracy theories, if it's something I don't care about, then I'm fine with believing what most people believe because it's an easy way to filter out nonsense. It's a fun idea that Einstein's wife was the real genius, but real life is usually not nearly so entertaining.
This is why we have soap operas and shows like Keeping up with the Kardashians. People like to dream and fantasize.
I actually read a piece once by somebody who was saying the women from The Imitation Game (played by Kiera Knightley) was the real brains behind Turing's Enigma breaker. I had to let them know that Hollywood spruced up that character to represent the impact of a number of women that contributed...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Clarke
You will note the lack of mathematical chops in the article above, and the calls for citation.
It's amazing what people will accept as fact without any evidence.
Please note that this is no way means I don't think a woman could have done this 
...but in this case, not.
Nov 7, 2022
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#685
Ok, well, you'd think it would have been something I'd heard before, yes? How great Einstein's wife was, but I haven't. The only person I've heard that from is you, and if I changed my mind every time a single person said something I wouldn't have much of a mind.
IIRC the first time you mentioned it, I googled, and found some 50 year old book. Ok, well, it's been 50 years and apparently it didn't gain any traction. So I'm not interested.
Nov 7, 2022
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#686
Actually, I've heard of this "Einstein's Wife" business, too. Not sure of the veracity.
Nov 7, 2022
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#687
A true waste of time is arguing on a chess forum about whether Einstein thought chess was a waste of time.
einstein is rlly smart! hes right you can do better somthing othern but its fun! and i real life you are happy that you can play chess! and if you look so, than he's worng! ( pls award me )
Yoloswagger69 wrote:
As Einstein once quoted chess was a waste of time for him, he only played it to relax from his exhausting studies of physics. Do you think it is a waste?
Obviously he’s expressing he likes chess but that he’s certainly with more important needed things and turns to chess to relax, sounds.
Nov 7, 2022
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#691
llama36 wrote:
Ok, well, you'd think it would have been something I'd heard before, yes? How great Einstein's wife was, but I haven't. The only person I've heard that from is you, and if I changed my mind every time a single person said something I wouldn't have much of a mind.
IIRC the first time you mentioned it, I googled, and found some 50 year old book. Ok, well, it's been 50 years and apparently it didn't gain any traction. So I'm not interested.
I stopped engaging with Optimissed because he seems like an innocent soul and I don't wish to be rude to him. But he has that unfortunate tendency conspiracists/superstitious people do of thinking that believing something different to the "mainstream" on almost every issue makes them an elevated thinker. Speaking to people who will continually expand the sphere of the conspiracy rather than consider changing their mind is impossible. I learned this speaking to 9/11 Truthers about a decade ago and it's not an experience I would repeat.
Nov 7, 2022
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#692
Optimissed wrote:
llama36 wrote:
Ok, well, you'd think it would have been something I'd heard before, yes? How great Einstein's wife was, but I haven't.
Why should you have heard?
Einstein is sort of famous...
I also watch random math and physics videos so I pick up general history here and there. I mentioned some math ones in a different topic. For an examples of physics, I've been liking Sabine Hossenfelder's videos lately.
Nov 7, 2022
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#693
Also random videos like this (I keep forgetting this channel exists until I find it again months later). These are all history.
Nov 7, 2022
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#694
We don't have the same amount of undiscovered beautify as back then. It's either chess or memes. But more likely both.
Nov 7, 2022
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#696
Optimissed wrote:
llama36 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
llama36 wrote:
Ok, well, you'd think it would have been something I'd heard before, yes? How great Einstein's wife was, but I haven't.
Why should you have heard?
Einstein is sort of famous...
I also watch random math and physics videos so I pick up general history here and there. I mentioned some math ones in a different topic. For an examples of physics, I've been liking Sabine Hossenfelder's videos lately.
Not a good answer. All you're doing is claiming you know everything.
General knowledge is a class of knowledge that people don't even remember where they picked it up. For example I have no idea when I learned I live on the North American continent, or that George Washington was the first US president. These are just things people in the US know.
Einstein and his theory of relativity are so well known that they enter this category i.e. he's known even to those who have no interest in math or science. I guess fewer know his Nobel prize was for the photoelectric effect, and the whole story surrounding that... or that E=MC^2 isn't the full equation (or is, as long as the mass isn't moving).
So anyway, not only would your claims about his wife have the possibility of entering into the realm of general knowledge, I also have a 2nd way I could know, which is that I have knowledge about Einstein that is slightly (but not much) more in depth than general knowledge (such as the bits I mention above).
So there, I've answered your question "why should you know" and explained why it's not "you're claiming you know everything." You're lucky I type quickly or I may not have bothered.
Nov 7, 2022
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#697
Optimissed wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Actually, I've heard of this "Einstein's Wife" business, too. Not sure of the veracity.
All I know is that it's far, far harder to get reliable information on the subject than it was 15 years ago, at least from the internet.
Are you living somewhere that google is banned? Wikipedia is banned? Scientific American is banned? There are thousands of articles discussing the question of to what extent Einstein's wife contributed to his seminal work. Unfortunately, it remains unclear and presumably will forever, but it is safe to say that she discussed some of his work with him as he was creating it. I suspect her contribution was significant. Oh, for a time machine!
Nov 7, 2022
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#698
Elroch wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
blueemu wrote:
Actually, I've heard of this "Einstein's Wife" business, too. Not sure of the veracity.
All I know is that it's far, far harder to get reliable information on the subject than it was 15 years ago, at least from the internet.
Are you living somewhere that google is banned? Wikipedia is banned? Scientific American is banned? There are thousands of articles discussing the question of to what extent Einstein's wife contributed to his seminal work. Unfortunately, it remains unclear and presumably will forever, but it is safe to say that she discussed some of his work with him as he was creating it. I suspect her contribution was significant. Oh, for a time machine!
I suspect the weasle word there is "reliable." No TRUE Scottsman would write an article or book about Einstein, and leave out the fact that his wife made major contributions to his theory.
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Nov 7, 2022
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#700
Of course, a good reason to argue why it would require me to know everything, is that this is obscure knowledge... which supports my point about the idea not getting any traction.
Look, I have no personal preference on this topic. If his wife was a genius that's fine... but like everything else I'm not going to believe it until I have a good reason... and a random person mentioning it online is not a good reason.
It's thought by many that Mileva Maric was the better mathematician of the two. She was his wife.
When you brought this up before, people said this was also debunked.
I wonder if you know what "debunked" means?
I don't think you do. It isn't quite "refuted". It means having the bunk removed. Or the fake news removed? Since there's strong evidence that she was the stronger mathematician, it isn't fake news. Just someone's opinion.
Maybe even your opinion? So do check your facts.
Turns out opinions change over the course of 50 years.