Einsteins opinion on chess, what do you think?

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long_quach wrote:

... The guy who invented an artificial heart? ...

This dude?

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Story time.

The first day I played chess in the Arlington Chess Club, I had a revelation.

This is incredible. We are moving the pieces.

Real kings in the real world cannot do this. Your Vizier can kill you and take over the kingdom.

We are the only real kings in the world.

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brianchesscake wrote:

Einstein was right, imagine how much better the world would have been if Magnus or Kasparov decided to become a doctor, scientist, or engineer instead of a professional chess player.

I'm going to say this, hopefully for the last time.

You STEM people stick to STEM. (science, technology, engineering and math).

I myself am a geometry artist.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dollarfolds/14163729364/in/photostream/

Technology is just a tool. I think Richard Feynman said that science is just a tool, like a knife. You can use a knife to cut an apple or to stab somebody with it.

That is true no matter who did or who did not say it.

Look how much technology we have in WW1 and WW2. In fact the very first scientific calculator with trigonometric function is used as a guidance system for a bomber. Same thing with the mouse. The computer. Everything. Steel.

War is the father of all things. Even chess.


Chess belongs to the category of culture and society. It belongs to sociology.

What society needs the most, and the Russians know this, is culture. Is games, is rules. What games do we play and what are the rules that we have to follow.

That is how a society is built.

That is why Russians play chess and do ballet.

They know what builds a society. The games people play and the rules people follow.

This is how society is built since chess was invented. Chess is only one thing. There's martial arts, sports, drama, movies, etc. Stuffs that belong to art, culture, and society.

STEM people can shut the [bleep] up.

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I was watching When the Game Stands Tall in a friend's house.

His sister said, "I don't like football movies."

I told her: It's not about football. Football is just a metaphor for life. Like dance in Flashdance.

My friend: What's Flashdance?

Me: It's a story of a . . . steel town girl on a Saturday night . . . a she's looking for a fight . . . in the day time world no one sees her at all . . . they all said she's crazy . . . for wanting to be a dancer.

My friend: Oh, ok.

And it is. The lessons in football are the lessons of life that the school kids need to learn.


That is how you build a society.

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Einstein does not get to have an opinion on chess.

Amen.

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Einstein was Jewish as well as Lasker. Thats why they were "friends".

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Video games and video games companies, coin operated and home consoles.

Billions of dollars industry, came and went.

Pac-Man, dead. Donkey Kong, dead. Galaga, dead. And so on and so on.

Toy soldiers on an 8 x 8 squares has been around for a thousand years and still going.

It's mind boggling.

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Sleeping Dogs (video game) on a Playstation 4.

One hit wonder.

The studio that made it came and went. Could not even last a decade.

All that technology. All that money.

I just looked it up. The budget to make that game was $30 million dollars.


Toy soldiers on an 8 x 8 squares lasted for a thousand years.

That is beyond imagination.

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My understanding of the context from the bio of Lasker is that Einstein had a high opinion of the intellect of Lasker and is merely expressing an opinion about what Lasker could have accomplished if it was used in a different field.

And, I sort of agree. My limited experience as a chess player and research mathematician is that both share the characteristic that you make significant progress essentially by ''thinking about the topic all the time". (It's been compared to thinking about the topic the way a teen aged boy thinks about girls.)

Lasker accomplished a lot in chess and dabbled in several other areas including writing plays. His PhD thesis in math was important and developed further by Emmy Noether .

It's impossible to know for certain --I have the opinion that he focused intently on one thing at at time.

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long_quach wrote:

Sleeping Dogs (video game) on a Playstation 4.

One hit wonder.

The studio that made it came and went. Could not even last a decade.

All that technology. All that money.

I just looked it up. The budget to make that game was $30 million dollars.


Toy soldiers on an 8 x 8 squares lasted for a thousand years.

That is beyond imagination.

What do people put put down $30 million dollars think of chess?

I can make a chess set out of bottle caps. And look up the rules of chess in an encyclopedia.

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@SwimmerBill

Who is to say one is better than the other?

Who is to say science (or technology, or STEM) is better than art?


I myself am a geometry artist (scientist).

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/einsteins-opinion-on-chess-what-do-you-think?page=3#comment-129100310

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long_quach wrote:

@SwimmerBill

Who is to say one is better than the other?

Who is to say science (or technology, or STEM) is better than art?


Again, technology is only a tool.

It could be wielded any which way. (We now call that dual-use technology, to heal or to kill).

The computer mouse itself is a missle targeting sytem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse

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SwimmerBill hat geschrieben:

My understanding of the context from the bio of Lasker is that Einstein had a high opinion of the intellect of Lasker and is merely expressing an opinion about what Lasker could have accomplished if it was used in a different field.

And, I sort of agree. My limited experience as a chess player and research mathematician is that both share the characteristic that you make significant progress essentially by ''thinking about the topic all the time". (It's been compared to thinking about the topic the way a teen aged boy thinks about girls.)

Lasker accomplished a lot in chess and dabbled in several other areas including writing plays. His PhD thesis in math was important and developed further by Emmy Noether .

It's impossible to know for certain --I have the opinion that he focused intently on one thing at at time.

What are you talking about? Lasker was professor in mathematics at an university. He was not a professional chess player. Although he was world champion. Many players at that time were no professionals even if they were world class. Chess was more or less a hobby of him.

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long_quach wrote:

@SwimmerBill

Who is to say one is better than the other?

Who is to say science (or technology, or STEM) is better than art?

I will say.

I like people in the artistic endeavors more than the STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics).


Story time.

Husband of a Vietnamese lady friend.

I was talking about a famous "demimonde" (look the word up) in Saigon, Vietnam, a century ago, Cô Ba Trà.

Him: Oh, you mean like the "flappers" in the Roaring Twenties?

Me: Exactly.

That's why I respect him. He is socially intelligent.


He works for Raytheon designing ships for the Navy.

His father worked for John Deere designing tractors.


His engineering abilities do not impress me.

His social intelligence does.

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long_quach wrote:

He works for Raytheon designing ships for the Navy.

His father worked for John Deere designing tractors.

That's dual-use technology right there. Literally swords and plowshares. I'm paraphrasing Isaiah in the Bible.

That's me. A literate, cultural person.

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Hochdeutscher wrote:
SwimmerBill hat geschrieben:

My understanding of the context from the bio of Lasker is that Einstein had a high opinion of the intellect of Lasker and is merely expressing an opinion about what Lasker could have accomplished if it was used in a different field.

And, I sort of agree. My limited experience as a chess player and research mathematician is that both share the characteristic that you make significant progress essentially by ''thinking about the topic all the time". (It's been compared to thinking about the topic the way a teen aged boy thinks about girls.)

Lasker accomplished a lot in chess and dabbled in several other areas including writing plays. His PhD thesis in math was important and developed further by Emmy Noether .

It's impossible to know for certain --I have the opinion that he focused intently on one thing at at time.

What are you talking about? Lasker was professor in mathematics at an university. He was not a professional chess player. Although he was world champion. Many players at that time were no professionals even if they were world class. Chess was more or less a hobby of him.

Which university & when?? It could not have been for long as he had no PhD students (https://www.mathgenealogy.org/id.php?id=60257) and fled Germany. - -----

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long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:

@SwimmerBill

Who is to say one is better than the other?

Who is to say science (or technology, or STEM) is better than art?

I will say.

I like people in the artistic endeavors more than the STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics).


I dont think I asserted what you think I said and are responding to.