I noticed that USCF is selling chessboards with poo piles on the dark squares. I blame the elephant.
En Passant...putting King in check?
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Dec 4, 2018
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Cool position and problem, blueemu! It does a great job of bringing out and exposing those who look to metaphors as if they are more true than what they have displaced.
I noticed that USCF is selling chessboards with poo piles on the dark squares. I blame the elephant.
I noticed that USCF is selling chessboards with poo piles on the dark squares. I blame the elephant.
krudsparov wrote:
@lagomorph, "The rule states clearly the pawn is captured after it is placed on d5 or it cannot be an en passant capture."
Nobody is disputing the rules or the where the pawn is placed.
@ifpatriotgames Qoko's analogy sums it up, "As for the actual conceptual point of the d-pawn never reaching d5: if En Passant would symbolize a Black soldier being stopped in his tracks that's trying to outflank a White soldier"... that's the concept of en passant, I'm not disputing the reality on the board ie the pawn reaches d5 is does!! the concept behind the move is that it doesn't.
I just dont get that. I dont understand. I think the concept and the reality are the same. The pawn passes a square, and the pawn next to it, and the potential consequence is getting captured on a square it passed. The concept, and the reality, both require passing. I dont see how there is any concept that allows the pawn not reaching d5.
Ifpatriot
The reality on the board is the pawn takes 2 steps and lands on d5, white can capture en passant, the concept of the move is the pawn tries to take 2 steps but gets captured on the 1st step, it never makes d5, that's why en passant can only be used immediately after the pawn jumps 2 squares, if you wait another move, the pawn is deem to have reached d5 and white can only capture diagonally on d6,
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krudsparov wrote:
But the point is it's deemed to be captured (in this case) on d6 before reaching d5, that's why en passant can only be used immediately after the pawn moves 2 squares.
Only in your mind I am afraid. You have created a fiction for an en passant capture that does not exist.
The rule states clearly the pawn is captured after it is placed on d5 or it cannot be an en passant capture.
If the rule was called something other that "en passant" we would not be having this stupid discussion.
It's not in his mind only. I agree with krudsparov's concept of taking en passant.
Unfortunately, a pawn can't be captured after the game is over, en passant or otherwise.
krudsparov wrote:
Ifpatriot
The reality on the board is the pawn takes 2 steps and lands on d5, white can capture en passant, the concept of the move is the pawn tries to take 2 steps but gets captured on the 1st step, it never makes d5, that's why en passant can only be used immediately after the pawn jumps 2 squares, if you wait another move, the pawn is deem to have reached d5 and white can only capture diagonally on d6,
OK. Agree to disagree then. I just think that (in this case) reaching d5 is required, both in concept and practice. I think the concept requires reaching d5 because that's the only way to pass.
@lagomorph, "The rule states clearly the pawn is captured after it is placed on d5 or it cannot be an en passant capture."
Nobody is disputing the rules or the where the pawn is placed.
@ifpatriotgames Qoko's analogy sums it up, "As for the actual conceptual point of the d-pawn never reaching d5: if En Passant would symbolize a Black soldier being stopped in his tracks that's trying to outflank a White soldier"... that's the concept of en passant, I'm not disputing the reality on the board ie the pawn reaches d5 is does!! the concept behind the move is that it doesn't.