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Nekhemevich wrote:

I call bs that a beginner would have enough knowledge to beat Magnus 10 only 3 months having learned even how to play.

Well the best I've done against 10 year old Magnus is draw. Also I knew how the pieces moved and stuff like that before I started playing 3 months ago but I'd never played a game or anything.

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PilateBlue wrote:

Nekhemevich wrote:

I call bs that a beginner would have enough knowledge to beat Magnus 10 only 3 months having learned even how to play.

Well the best I've done against 10 year old Magnus is draw. Also I knew how the pieces moved and stuff like that before I started playing 3 months ago but I'd never played a game or anything.

Then I would say you are more likely intermediate.

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Nekhemevich wrote:

I call bs that a beginner would have enough knowledge to beat Magnus 10 only 3 months having learned even how to play.

Well the best I've done against 10 year old Magnus is draw. Also I knew how the pieces moved and stuff like that before I started playing 3 months ago but I'd never played a game or anything.

if not advanced.

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Nekhemevich wrote:

I call bs that a beginner would have enough knowledge to beat Magnus 10 only 3 months having learned even how to play.

that's what I wonder too...with a online rating in the 1400s and a blitz below 1000.

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Nekhemevich wrote:

I call bs that a beginner would have enough knowledge to beat Magnus 10 only 3 months having learned even how to play.

that's what I wonder too...with a online rating in the 1400s and a blitz below 1000.

Are you questioning why my standard rating is so much higher than my blitz? Three main reasons: (1) I don't take blitz very seriously; (2) as a relatively new player I don't have much pattern familiarity; and (3) I'm a very slow thinker (27th percentile processing speed according to an IQ test I had to take a while ago).

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BlackAkres78 wrote:
Nekhemevich wrote:

I call bs that a beginner would have enough knowledge to beat Magnus 10 only 3 months having learned even how to play.

that's what I wonder too...with a online rating in the 1400s and a blitz below 1000.

Are you questioning why my standard rating is so much higher than my blitz? Three main reasons: (1) I don't take blitz very seriously; (2) as a relatively new player I don't have much pattern familiarity; and (3) I'm a very slow thinker (27th percentile processing speed according to an IQ test I had to take a while ago).

What's the highest you beat magnus?

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Nekhemevich wrote:
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BlackAkres78 wrote:
Nekhemevich wrote:

I call bs that a beginner would have enough knowledge to beat Magnus 10 only 3 months having learned even how to play.

that's what I wonder too...with a online rating in the 1400s and a blitz below 1000.

Are you questioning why my standard rating is so much higher than my blitz? Three main reasons: (1) I don't take blitz very seriously; (2) as a relatively new player I don't have much pattern familiarity; and (3) I'm a very slow thinker (27th percentile processing speed according to an IQ test I had to take a while ago).

What's the highest you beat magnus?

I beat him at 9 years 0 months. I haven't tried any of the specific months. 

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PilateBlue wrote:

Nekhemevich wrote:
PilateBlue wrote:
BlackAkres78 wrote:
Nekhemevich wrote:

I call bs that a beginner would have enough knowledge to beat Magnus 10 only 3 months having learned even how to play.

that's what I wonder too...with a online rating in the 1400s and a blitz below 1000.

Are you questioning why my standard rating is so much higher than my blitz? Three main reasons: (1) I don't take blitz very seriously; (2) as a relatively new player I don't have much pattern familiarity; and (3) I'm a very slow thinker (27th percentile processing speed according to an IQ test I had to take a while ago).

What's the highest you beat magnus?

I beat him at 9 years 0 months. I haven't tried any of the specific months. 

cool. Good job! Magnus 9 is really hard.

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I just beat 9 years and 4 months! :D

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Keep it up! I am working on Magnus 9/3 myself. Is there much difference between 3 and 4 month?

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Keep it up! I am working on Magnus 9/3 myself. Is there much difference between 3 and 4 month?

I'm not sure. Both are really hard for me. I lucked out on 4 when Magnus gave up a rook for a bishop. I then traded down to the endgame. I noticed Magnus 9 is impossible tactically, but if you can play the position so it's less sharp you have a better chance.

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If you don't mind gaming the system a bit then I think the best way to beat virtual Magnus is to learn an opening system well then play it every time. If Magnus doesn't cooperate then start a new game. I've mostly been playing the Najdorf Sicilian with the black pieces. I don't really think this method is unfair since I don't actually get a real advantage (because I'm playing as black and the Najdorf is a very sharp position), but it's not quite realistic to expect an opponent to play into your favorite opening every game so some might not like this.

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I beated 90 years Carlsen

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PilateBlue wrote:

If you don't mind gaming the system a bit then I think the best way to beat virtual Magnus is to learn an opening system well then play it every time. If Magnus doesn't cooperate then start a new game. I've mostly been playing the Najdorf Sicilian with the black pieces. I don't really think this method is unfair since I don't actually get a real advantage (because I'm playing as black and the Najdorf is a very sharp position), but it's not quite realistic to expect an opponent to play into your favorite opening every game so some might not like this.

Good point. What I noticed is you have to play very active and make strong threats; threats that are stronger than the execution and this early Magnus plays somewhat confused. For example I created a threat on the back rank and Magnus countered by putting a rook en prise. I think your method is one way, but what I want to do is beat Magnus outright. I noticed if you don't play active Magnus will always calculate better, which leads to being constricted. I really think in order to win you have to take a huge risk and try to play aggressive. Maybe it works on early Magnus.

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Update: thought I'd forced a draw against Magnus 10 before I realized I'd completely blundered away the game. I actually forgot that he could move his pawn two spaces. Lol. I'd lost the game before that but I really should've gotten a draw from the endgame. The score was pretty even throughout the game according to stockfish (post game analysis) but I'm a bit lacking in endgame experience. I'm using mobile so I can't post a diagram but here's the pgn. If anyone could take a moment to copy and paste this into a diagram I'd really appreciate it!

[Event "?"]

[Site "?"]

[Date "2015.02.02"]

[Round "?"]

[White "Magnus Carlsen (Age 10)"]

[Black "PilateB"]

[Result "*"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Bb3 Be7 8. f4

Nc6 9. Be3 Na5 10. Bf2 Nxb3 11. axb3 b5 12. Qf3 Bb7 13. Bh4 d5 14. e5 Ne4 15.

Bxe7 Qxe7 16. Qe3 Nxc3 17. Qxc3 Rc8 18. Qf3 O-O 19. Qf2 f6 20. exf6 Qxf6 21.

O-O e5 22. fxe5 Qxe5 23. Rae1 Rxf2 24. Rxe5 Rxf1+ 25. Kxf1 Rf8+ 26. Ke2 g6 27.

h3 b4 28. Ke3 a5 29. Kd2 Rf4 30. c3 Rf2+ 31. Re2 Rxe2+ 32. Kxe2 h5 33. Kd1 Bc8

34. Ke1 g5 35. Ke2 g4 36. h4 Kf7 37. Nc6 bxc3 38. bxc3 a4 39. bxa4 Bd7 40.

Ne5+ Ke6 41. Nxd7 Kxd7 42. Ke3 Kc6 43. Kf4 Kb6 44. Kg5 Ka5 45. Kxh5 Kxa4 46.

Kxg4 Kb3 47. h5 Kxc3 48. h6 d4 49. Kf4 d3 50. h7 d2 51. h8=Q+ Kd3 52. Qd8+ Ke2

53. Ke4 d1=Q 54. Qxd1+ Kxd1 55. Ke5 Ke2 56. Kd4 Kf2 57. g4 Kf3 58. g5 Kf4 59.

g6 *

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Okay I'm on a PC now so I was able to post the game for anyone who wants to see it. Any comments or advice would be appreciated. I feel like my endgame technique is probably my biggest weakness against Magnus 10. 

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I think you did good in the opening and middle game. The endgame is really difficult for black. If you look at white knight it is in the center, very active, and superior to the bishop. Blacks bishop is not good because of the position. Its limited to light squares and the queenside pawns on whites side is clearly at an advantage. White started by attacking the isolated pawn on the a file. you played great but to win that endgame would be very hard against Magnus. :)

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Yes in hindsight I have to agree. There's not a clear plan that leads to a draw. Magnus 10 is tough in the endgame.

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I would have to say trading rooks in the endgame was not a good idea.