Back in high school we called 3... h6 the Mr Young Defense, after the math teacher who sponsored our chess club and who routinely played that. He played it against 3 Bb5 too; we figured he must've misread P-QR3 as P-KR3.
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Btw I don't understand that kind of notation (P-QR3)
Back in high school we called 3... h6 the Mr Young Defense, after the math teacher who sponsored our chess club and who routinely played that. He played it against 3 Bb5 too; we figured he must've misread P-QR3 as P-KR3.
Cool! did you like the topic?
Btw I don't understand that kind of notation (P-QR3)
The notation is called Descriptive Notation. P-QR3 is the same as writing a6. "Pawn to Queen Rook 3."
Back in high school we called 3... h6 the Mr Young Defense, after the math teacher who sponsored our chess club and who routinely played that. He played it against 3 Bb5 too; we figured he must've misread P-QR3 as P-KR3.
Cool! did you like the topic?
Btw I don't understand that kind of notation (P-QR3)
The notation is called Descriptive Notation. P-QR3 is the same as writing a6. "Pawn to Queen Rook 3."
The same but way more complicated
Interesting stuff. Of course, 4.d4 still provides White with enough to have a pleasant advantage anyway.
Interesting stuff. Of course, 4.d4 still provides White with enough to have a pleasant advantage anyway.
4.d4 is the recomended move but not as good on this level
Interesting stuff. Of course, 4.d4 still provides White with enough to have a pleasant advantage anyway.
4.d4 is the recomended move but not as good on this level
If it's recommended on a higher level, to me it doesn't make sense to call it "not as good" as a line that requires your opponent's cooperation. Mind you, seeing 3...h6 on a high level is rare as well.
Interesting stuff. Of course, 4.d4 still provides White with enough to have a pleasant advantage anyway.
4.d4 is the recomended move but not as good on this level
If it's recommended on a higher level, to me it doesn't make sense to call it "not as good" as a line that requires your opponent's cooperation. Mind you, seeing 3...h6 on a high level is rare as well.
As I already said this is not meant for a high level. There are many moves that are engine's best move but are not the most efective on a sudden level, that's why you see people beating others with the wayward queen attack, it's not the engine's best move but works best on their level.
Btw you can always play d4 on this position later.
4.d4 is the recomended move but not as good on this level
Somehow the OP has contrived a way to be condescending to himself!
who is the op?
Now that's what I call a Zen moment.
I'm not english so I don't understand some tecnic things
OP=original poster=you
Then being condescendent to myself is not being condescendent LOL and btw im not
I was looking for 3rd move alternatives in this position a few weeks ago.
One of the reasons I didn't like 3...h6 was if nothing else white could play 4.d3 and my move h6 didn't fit with what I usually like in various Italian lines.
My frustration with 3...Bc5 is that white has a number of options to get a very dry position.
For now I'm telling myself that whenever I play 1...e5 I have to be ok with a draw, and not to worry about it too much.
Oh, and I don't want 3...Nf6 for the two knights because I've never been interested in playing games that involve finding out which of us memorized the most at home.
Yeah, when my opponent is some 12 year old rated a few 100 points lower than me, and they decide my big scary rating is going to eat them unless they trot out two dozen moves of the most utterly boring lines they know.
That stuff drives me crazy.
Honestly I'm experimenting with a system for these kids. 1...g6 2...c6 3...d5 against everything.
So far I've had some close calls, and sometimes the position is a little dry, but they're out of book and we get an imbalanced position and that's exactly my goal.
Ooh, Ng6 and Nf6. Fun game for white, not so fun for you 
But I mean, at least that line features an isolated pawn and a lot of minor pieces on the board.
By the way, I don't do opening books, I just sort of look at games... I say sort of because not thoroughly or anything, I don't like openings.
So I had to discover the Moeller was a thing OTB
The nice thing is when you sweat it out for a few hours OTB the move order really gets burned into your memory.
I was looking for 3rd move alternatives in this position a few weeks ago.
One of the reasons I didn't like 3...h6 was if nothing else white could play 4.d3 and my move h6 didn't fit with what I usually like in various Italian lines.
My frustration with 3...Bc5 is that white has a number of options to get a very dry position.
For now I'm telling myself that whenever I play 1...e5 I have to be ok with a draw, and not to worry about it too much.
There are not many options as you have to defend d5 and do something about 4.d3. The engine liked the two knights defense but everyone on my level is afraid of the knight attack so the main choices for them are 3.h6 or 3.Bc5 going into the giuoco piano
Zeusmeister
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It's the beard that really brings it all together
I was looking for 3rd move alternatives in this position a few weeks ago.
One of the reasons I didn't like 3...h6 was if nothing else white could play 4.d3 and my move h6 didn't fit with what I usually like in various Italian lines.
My frustration with 3...Bc5 is that white has a number of options to get a very dry position.
For now I'm telling myself that whenever I play 1...e5 I have to be ok with a draw, and not to worry about it too much.
There are not many options as you have to defend d5 and do something about 4.d3. The engine liked the two knights defense but everyone on my level is afraid of the knight attack so the main choices for them are 3.h6 or 3.Bc5 going into the giuoco piano
4.d4 is sort of the logical move that players "should" play if they've never seen 3...h6 before.
And it seems good enough to give black an uncomfortable position.
h6 isn't losing or anything, it's just not what I'd want as my main move. If you study it and enjoy the positions you get out of it, then that's fine.
The Anti-fried liver happens after this serie of moves:
In this position the engine recomends 4.d4 with a central thurst but I'm going to talk about 4.c3 as it gives white more chances becouse it's not as natural for black to defend and leads to a lot of good positions for white if black doesn't play the best moves.
The most common response on my level (1500) is Bfc5! wich is not a good move but often white doesn't know how to punish it, the right way to do is by playing 5.b4
Black has to reponses, 5.Bcd6 and 5.Bcb6. Let's start with the engine's reponse:
-5.Bcb6
(I play 6.Nca5 becouse 6.Nce7 is not good, after white goes 7.Nxe5 black's position is just very bad)
In this position the best and less common choice is Kf2 wich leads to this forced variation:
White is clearly better here as black's developed pieces are doing nothing and his king is wide open.
If black takes the bishop it's even better for white:
The king can go to 5 squares. If he goes f6 or e8 it's an automatic loss as the queen and black bishop are ready to attck, e7 or f8 let's white fork king and rook so the best choice is e6 bringing your king into the game, a engine could maybe prolong the game but as humans it's very hard to play on a losing position with your king wide open on e6.
-5.Bcd6
If on move 6 the knight goes f6 or e7 we go d4. Going 6.Ngf6 hoping to take e4 is not good as it leads to this:
You must recapture the knight with the pawn not with the queen as she is keeping the pin. This position is totally lost for black. If black goes 8.Bxe5 intstead of 8.Nxe5 it's even better for white:
Going e7 is a bit better for black:
It doesn't matter if black captures e5 with the knight or with the d pawn as it leads to the same but if black doesn't recapture with the bishop, keeping the bishop pair, the best move is going 10. Bcb3 and after 10.Bde7 (unlocking the d pawn) throwing a central thurst with f4 with tempo.
I hope you liked the post as it took me a few hours