If 9.Nh4 then black can get some difficulties, and at pro level it would be unsuitable because they all study each other's games, but for us it's a strong practical try I think, even if white does know about Nh4.
Exploiting 4.d4 Bfc5 in the Italian game: Anti-fried liver defense.
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Aug 3, 2018
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#23
Preggo_Basashi wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
Preggo_Basashi wrote:
I was looking for 3rd move alternatives in this position a few weeks ago.
One of the reasons I didn't like 3...h6 was if nothing else white could play 4.d3 and my move h6 didn't fit with what I usually like in various Italian lines.
My frustration with 3...Bc5 is that white has a number of options to get a very dry position.
For now I'm telling myself that whenever I play 1...e5 I have to be ok with a draw, and not to worry about it too much.
There are not many options as you have to defend d5 and do something about 4.d3. The engine liked the two knights defense but everyone on my level is afraid of the knight attack so the main choices for them are 3.h6 or 3.Bc5 going into the giuoco piano
4.d4 is sort of the logical move that players "should" play if they've never seen 3...h6 before.
And it seems good enough to give black an uncomfortable position.
h6 isn't losing or anything, it's just not what I'd want as my main move. If you study it and enjoy the positions you get out of it, then that's fine.
It's not losing but you are not playing black to try not losing, it's all about using every tempo to try to get an edge. 3.h6 is doing nothing for black, white will just open up the center trying to get a fast attack or trading queens by capturing the c6 knight
Aug 3, 2018
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#24
Wait, so do you want to use 3...h6 or not?
I thought you made the topic to promote it 
Aug 3, 2018
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#25
Preggo_Basashi wrote:
Wait, so do you want to use 3...h6 or not?
I thought you made the topic to promote it
No hahahaha I think for me it's like losing a tempo
Aug 4, 2018
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#26
It happened again:
He moved the king to e6 on move 8 (best move!). I tried f4 instead of d4 on move 9, not as good but the game is won anyway. On the last move the king can go to c4 wich is mate in 1 or d6 allowing the royal fork
i liked your study
Aug 4, 2018
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#28
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:
"But I mean, at least that line features an isolated pawn and a lot of minor pieces on the board."
I was actually attempting to bring up something else. Not how dull the GP can be (but how relying on books often comes up ever so empty).
Oh, I see.
Yeah, I like the do it yourself sort of approach. Just look at a lot of games, and get a lot of middlegame ideas.
But since I'm lazy, I end up not viewing nearly enough... after learning a single middlegame idea I can fairly reliably associate with an opening variation, I feel content and I usually stop looking 
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:
mickynj wrote:
I've never understood the idea that a the best move is somehow not really best "on this level." Aren't you really saying: "If I play this inferior move, I may get lucky?" That's not actually chess, is it? Unless your ambition is to stay at a mediocre level and win against inferior opponents
My point as well (since it smacks of self-condescension).
well i play the evans and the fried liver against lowerer rated guys so the hungarian defense and the anti fried liver are pain in the ****** not because i dont win the game but i wanted to blow the opponent off the board- any aggressive ideas are highly welcome
Aug 5, 2018
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#30
I prefer d4. Objectively h6 is not the best move and wastes an early tempo that could’ve been used for blacks development, so because of this lead in development I like to immediately open the position with d4.
Aug 5, 2018
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#31
mickynj wrote:
I've never understood the idea that a the best move is somehow not really best "on this level." Aren't you really saying: "If I play this inferior move, I may get lucky?" That's not actually chess, is it? Unless your ambition is to stay at a mediocre level and win against inferior opponents
I tested both moves several times and I chose 4.c3 as it gave me more wins on this rank. People is expecting d4 so I come up with something they don't how to defend. Btw If black doesn't play 4.Bc5 I respond with c4 and everything is ok
yes your "inferior" move seems very fine to me, with equally good chances for white even if black does not go Bc5
Aug 5, 2018
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#33
testaaaaa wrote:
yes your "inferior" move seems very fine to me, with equally good chances for white even if black does not go Bc5
Thanks
Sep 2, 2018
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#34
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:
And actually, all this talk about the GP reminds me of one time way back when (when I was actually still playing OTB). My opponent played the main line of the GP against me (the first time I'd ever faced it, I think)...and I remembered what it said in my Reinfeld book: "8... d5! equalizes." So I pushed that pawn with full confidence that now, with equality reached, I had the draw well in hand. I continued to believe that for a while...and I ended up resigning on move 27.
It's things like this I remember whenever somebody like pfren says something like: "After White's third move Black has no more problems! He is on Easy Street!" (Oops...is that really how the Zeusmeister talks?) I always think: yeah sure, if you're pfren...
And actually, I was just looking it over and my opponent played a nice game. Here it is:
You should have gone e5 after exd4 wich leads to a lot of complications for black
For example something like this makes me go to sleep
Damn that's good