FFS chess.com this is pathetic

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llama47

You can't write a simple fking script to flag this sort of account?

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Malishious

What's wrong with the account?

llama47

It's won 100s of rated games that have lasted 1-2 moves. Often many games in a row against the same account.

Maybe chess.com can hire come kind of consultant to explain it to them using very small words, so that they'll be able to understand.

Malishious

Can you send screenshots of the consecutive 1-2 move wins I can't find any, if you can then I'll report alongside you

llama47

When I was preparing for some 24 hours tournaments, I was doing some stats on past winners.

One thing chessbase lets you do is a histogram on a game collection where the x axis is number of moves. This was useful because I noticed a good strategy is to resign lost games early so that you can play a larger number of games.

A normal graph will be bell-curve-shaped with a median around 30-40.

Noobs are probably lower since they get scholar mated and resign early (I often see players under 1000 with few games lasting beyond move 25).

But when a player has a big spike on move 10... or on move 2...

Of course there are simpler ways to automate checking such things, but this is just to give the smoothbrains an idea...

llama47
Malishious wrote:

Can you send screenshots of the consecutive 1-2 move wins I can't find any, if you can then I'll report alongside you

Mod SB Removed link 

Pages 3, 4, 5...

I got tired of clicking after page 18

Every page is 50 games.

Malishious

Yup cheers that's all I needed, I've reported the player. Thanks for cleaning up the site, that's insane that chess.com hasn't patched something this blatant into the fair play software.

llama47

I mostly don't care about this place anymore, but this sort of thing makes unreasonable angry because it's so simple...

People have been cheating this way ever since I started playing chess almost 20 years ago. In the 1990s it was excusable that Yahoo! allowed it. In 2020 there's no excuse for chess.com.

ninjaswat

o_0 I agree llama, though it would be costly to continuously run a script that checked ALL members for this, they could do it once a month or even once a year and clean up soooo many people like this... with very very little relative cost compared to the amount spent on taking in all these reports.

llama47
ninjaswat wrote:

o_0 I agree llama, though it would be costly to continuously run a script that checked ALL members for this, they could do it once a month or even once a year and clean up soooo many people like this... with very very little relative cost compared to the amount spent on taking in all these reports.

I agree. Recording stats for all games played is (probably) unreasonable.

But by their own reports, they check nearly 10 million games for cheating every day. Have some statistician figure out how many games you need to check to bring the % of fair games into a certain range. Maybe you only need to check 20% of games to have 1 out of 100 games be a cheater. IDK, but you definitely don't need to check every game of every player.

llama47

I mean, I'm sure they've already done that (and a lot more) for standard engine cheating, but I don't see much progress for stuff like what this guy is doing (which includes sandbagging).

DiogenesDue
ninjaswat wrote:

o_0 I agree llama, though it would be costly to continuously run a script that checked ALL members for this, they could do it once a month or even once a year and clean up soooo many people like this... with very very little relative cost compared to the amount spent on taking in all these reports.

This kind of "after the fact" data checking is actually very cheap and easy to do on the backend, assuming they are using a database to store games, and can be run offline versus "backed up" static history instead of using the live systems, so it can run nightly in parallel with no performance hit, either.

(I'll build chess.com the system in 2-4 months with 2 developers, but I'm $180/hr wink.png)...

Pan_troglodites
llama47 wrote:

You can't write a simple fking script to flag this sort of account?

 

 

How can this user be rated over 2000 and play against an about  700 ELO user?

When I try to play against a high ELO user it shows me a pop up like this.

Note: picture edited. 0000 was me that wrote there.

Malishious

The person in that list was 1300 so only about 700 less than the rating manipulator, allowing the latter to gain 1 elo for every illegitimate win.

Pan_troglodites

Rating manipulator. 
This is indeed bad!

StumpyBlitzer

https://support.chess.com/article/209-how-do-i-report-someone

Please report suspicious players and not discuss in the general forums with naming and shaming. 

Thanks 

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