FIDE + Agon limited: A scent of Hypocresy

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JavierGil

At this stage you've probably heard about the controversy of the FIDE Candidates Tournament and Agon´s legal threats agaisnt anyone -big or small, and yes, that includes small websites and personal blogs- who dares to even mention a single move being played 

The debate is not new: it's been long stablished that chess moves cannot be copyrighted and that as soon as a move is played, it becomes "information" or "news", which nobody really owns. 

But who or what exactly is Agon?

Here are some enlightening details from the wikipedia:

FIDE has entered into a commercial agreement running from 2012 to at least 2021 with the company Agon Limited in the management of the World Chess Championship and associated events. Agon has "sole and exclusive" organisational rights over the events that fall under the agreement.[37] The first tournament it organized was the London FIDE Grand Prix event in September 2012,[38] followed by the London Candidates Tournament in March 2013,[39] and the Chennai World Chess Championship in November 2013.[40]

Agon subsequently organized the four events in the FIDE Grand Prix 2014-15,[41] the Candidates Tournament in 2014,[42] and the World Chess Championship in 2014.[43]

Agon was also involved in the organisation of the 2015 Rapid and Blitz Championships.[44]

History[edit]

Agon was founded in 2012 by Andrew Paulson as the sole shareholder.[45] On February 20, 2012, an agreement between Agon and FIDE was made, subject to approval by the 2012 FIDE General Assembly.[37] This approval was forthcoming in September 2012.[46]

In October 2014, Agon was sold to its current CEO Ilya Merenzon for the sum of one pound.[38]

FIDE-Agon contract controversy[edit]

In early 2014, a purported agreement between Paulson and FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov was leaked, which allegedly indicated that Paulson was simply a front man with Ilyumzhinov the ultimate benefactor of Agon.[47] In response, FIDE's deputy vice president Georgios Makropoulous pointed out that this was a draft document.[48] The FIDE Ethics Commission ruled in September 2015 that Ilyumzhinov did not violate the FIDE Code of Ethics.[49] 

(Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE#Commercial_agreement_with_Agon -)

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Now, if you visit Agon's website, you can read some bombastic lines such as:

 " CHESS IS NOW PLAYED BY MORE PEOPLE THAN EVER BEFORE: AROUND THE WORLD, ONLINE AND OFF, OVER 600 MILLION ADULTS PLAY REGULARLY "

 "AGON IS BRINGING THE CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP CYCLE TO SPECTACULAR VENUES IN WORLD CITIES AND TRANSFORMING CHESS INTO A SPECTATOR SPORT USING CUTTING-EDGE DATA VISUALIZATION TECHNOLOGY. "

"WORLD CHESS IS POISED TO EMERGE AS A FORCE IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT, BACKED UP BY A STRONG BRAND IDENTITY, ANIMATED BY RECOGNISABLE HEROES IN FRONT OF AN EXISTING ENORMOUS FANBASE, FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED BY “BEST IN CLASS” GLOBAL MARKETING PARTNERS. "

Whether you decide to believe them or not (particularly the one about the "financially supported by best in class global marketing partners") is obviously your decision Sealed , but can FIDE and AGON lecture the rest of the world on chess copyright issues when it is well known that there are websites in Russia which have been ( for several years!) providing direct links to pirated chess software, books and game databases 24 hours a day and neither FIDE nor Agon has done anything to close them down? (and trust me on this, I have spoken to a few, the big publishers have tried to get them closed down, but ended up admiting they can't do anything about it) 

Now, don't get me wrong, I think Agon's goal is a valid one, they're trying to protect something they've invested on, and besides, wouldn't it fantasctic for chess if they did manage to attract all those formidable sponsors to chess? no question about it, but the way they're handling this World Championship Candidates Tournament (ever heard of diplomacy and public relations instead of threats, you fools?) and piracy at home can only attract big sponsors from countries like... North Korea! 

Meanwhile, I wonder how they're going to handle the "somewhat challenging task" Cool of keeping their official site up if just 1 out of every thousand of those people who play chess decide to see the games on-line today at the official tournament website. They might actually need to call those websites they threatened to help them divert the traffic! Laughing

 

Starsreen
uscftigerprowl wrote:

There could be a membership for top events like this and then we all could see it. However, that time may have come and gone before our eyes. If FIDE and others want chess to be a sport and with the final goal of making it to the olympics, then this is exactly what needs to be done.

 

Perhaps it's for the better. Until you reach IM/GM status, there is no need to worry about following the giants. Keep up with your playing, study the tournaments around you, and focus on bite size chess. With success, you'll see some less.

 

Take baseball for example, MLB was sued because one of the companies that paid to see games only wanted to see local games. As a result, MLB has now a local games package which is cheaper. Perhaps this is for restaurants and such who don't need access to all games.

 

Added to that, if you want 2 months into the season, the membership cost goes down more. Who needs to follow the first couple months anyway?

 

With chess you have the added factor that for educational purposes you are not going to benefit that greatly by knowing the moves instantly. It's purely for entertainment purposes and if that's the call, the idea of free access is no longer viable.

 

Chess.com, chessbase.com, chessdom, chessbomb, etc... should take this as a lesson to incorporate fees for relaying the games and use local sponsoring to help fund paying into the system. In the end, we won't be left out as a chess community.

 

Ironically, our wish to have free access to a communist broadcast has shown us nothing is nor should be free.

are you stupid. only work on bite sized chess. study the best in the world and yo will get better. that is the only way i no.

starrynight14

https://twitter.com/TarjeiJS/status/708632720302338048

Agon announcing legal action against Chess24, Internet Chess Club, and Chessbomb for broadcasting Candidate games.

 

Anyone who supports this is definitely stupid.  

JavierGil

As predicted, the official site was down 50% of the time or more. 

I was surprised to see chessbase taking the threat seriously (They didn't broadcast the games at playchess.com, probably advised by their lawyers)

Could this be the end of chess24, ICC and Chessbomb? I doubt they have enough money to cover the legal expenses of a lawsuit. That would be quite dramatic, but I doubt Agon would be willing to consider an amicable solution...

So, we have the official site not coping with the number of visitors, then other sites which were broadcasting the games without any trouble (if everyone had gone to the official site, it would have been down 99% of the time, for sure!) and getting sued for that! What a stupid mess! 

Carlsen has said that everyone can follow the games at the official site, but I mean, what else can he say? the WC money is coming from them, it's not like if he's free to speak his mind. 

EscherehcsE

People should remember issues such as this the next time a FIDE presidential election occurs. However, I'm not optimistic, as people tend to have short memories.

EscherehcsE
AdamovYuri wrote:

it is not a big deal. you can always replay the games when they end. i dont see whats all the fuss about

You fail to see a lot of things that others can see clearly. Smarter than the average bear? I don't think so...

Hostsbane

IIyumzhinov is the Sepp Blatter of chess..

JavierGil
EscherehcsE wrote:

People should remember issues such as this the next time a FIDE presidential election occurs. However, I'm not optimistic, as people tend to have short memories.

Unfortunately, people don't vote, neither do chess players. It's only the presidents of their federations who do, and often their vote has little to do with what the majority want... 

At the end of the day, chessplayers (who are selfish and rather individualistic in nature) just wanna play chess and care little about anything else. IIyumzhinov knows this, and that's why he keeps on winning. 

EscherehcsE
JavierGil wrote:
EscherehcsE wrote:

People should remember issues such as this the next time a FIDE presidential election occurs. However, I'm not optimistic, as people tend to have short memories.

Unfortunately, people don't vote, neither do chess players. It's only the presidents of their federations who do, and often their vote has little to do with what the majority want... 

At the end of the day, chessplayers (who are selfish and rather individualistic in nature) just wanna play chess and care little about anything else. IIyumzhinov knows this, and that's why he keeps on winning. 

I agree. The only way that your average chessplayer can vote on a FIDE president is indirectly, by holding their federation presidents accountable for how they vote in FIDE elections.

dav112

A widespread boycott of the 'official' site might put some pressure on Agon. If they care at all about promoting chess rather than their own interests.

starrynight14

What Fide should actually do is work with other websites to promote chess, not try to oppose them. 

dav112

So is Agon claiming some kind of intellectual property rights because they are the venue/organiser for the game? I don't really get it.. 

 

SpiritoftheVictory

Seconding to IM JavierGil in post 11 and adding a few thoughs of my own. Lawyers & bureaucrats tend to ruin everything they get their hands on. And I'm not even against intellectual rights and some of these companies making money. It's just the way they did it is extremely stupid. Instead of applying draconian restrictions on dissemination of information, they should have facilitated the process while attracting sponsors. An example comes from the music industry. When the Internet was becoming more mainstream, the initial strategy was similar to this one - surpression. I read stories of them going after individual consumers. Then, they realized how stupid the whole idea is and deicded to change the strategy. Nowadays, everybody can listen to a song of any artist on YouTube. You'll just have to tolerate a 15 second ad. So, Agon chose the stupid strategy which is hardly surprising. In Russia, they're at least 10 years behind on learning business models. :) And the customer service and feedback loop is not their strong suit either. :)

PlonkyPenguin

nobody owns any rights to mere chess moves.

there's no basis for any legal action against those who showed the games. but on the other hand... stupid man are making even more stupid decisions in this world, so who knows.

the funny thing is that some chess players think this whole mess would be good for them. Maybe for now when such companies are filling their pockets. but what will be in a few years when those measures drove away the people who watch those events. Will someone then pay for those events anymore?

dav112

I have some sympathy for the players re control and reward for intellectual rights as they are the ones who 'author' the game and I might support some mechanism by which the players benefit directly. Agon may have rights re their own 'content' eg maybe their own video feed. But no way can they 'own' the moves of the game. Tho really are we then saying that all chess players might 'own' the 'copyright' on all games (or moves???) they played? It doesn't seem practical. (and how can it thus stand up in any court?)

gambit-man

Whilst Ilyumzhinov is at the top, this kinda this was always gonna happen...

dav112

Am i right in thinking that this refers only to 'live' rebroadcasting of the moves? but If so then who says what 'live' means? Everything is subject to delay. I mean in the old days maybe someone in the playing hall rang up someone to communicate moves to a third party. Nowardays the moves can be plucked from the 'official' feed with less delay. But where in law is this delay defined? Is it 10 milliSeconds or 2 weeks? How can info be placed in the public domain by placing it on the official site, but some legal constraint then remain for others to not to reference or cite this info?

starrynight14
BettorOffSingle wrote:(whoever had access to the moves agreed not to rebroadcast them), etc. 

That's bullshit, hardly anyone has agreed to not talk about the moves.  The few people who signed up to their website did in the conditions they agreed to, that was it.

Even then they've had to keep changing their stance from saying nothing till two hours after then game to immediately after the game I believe.  The next climbdown will be saying they were wrong all along.

Of course many Americans (and I guess some Russians follow that now) think you can copyright anything lol.  They ignore the reality and practicality in favour of their favourite occupation of ludicrous legal cases.  And that's simply seen as a way of making more money through sueing. 

VLaurenT
dav112 wrote:

I have some sympathy for the players re control and reward for intellectual rights as they are the ones who 'author' the game and I might support some mechanism by which the players benefit directly. Agon may have rights re their own 'content' eg maybe their own video feed. But no way can they 'own' the moves of the game. Tho really are we then saying that all chess players might 'own' the 'copyright' on all games (or moves???) they played? It doesn't seem practical. (and how can it thus stand up in any court?)

Maybe it's not about "copyrighting", but I agree with you that some system where the players earn some money when their game goes into a commercial database, or is reproduced in some magazine or video would make sense.