FIDE should give out online titles

I only play online chess here and at FICS. That way nobody blows cigar smoke in my face. Well, I suppose that I could play on a laptop next to some smokers

I have nothing to do with FIDE. Its wack-brained political garbage where Karpov is denied the microphone - I have better things to do with my decreasing lifespan.

I also couldn't be bothered returning to otb chess. I would start off at some stupid rating like 1200 which is like putting Sachin Tendulkar into your backyard cricket team. Maybe if I won lots of games year after year after year after year...I would get to 1800ish which I estimate to be my playing strength at its worst.

Meanwhile I play all of these online games. Some of them are bad, some OK and some of them are good.

So why can't FIDE make an online title? I should be able to be an online IM or GM? This is not a joke. I am serious. As for cheating they are free to run all of my games through the most brutal engine - checking software that they wish to. Because if my assurances of not using an engine were not to be believed then my mistakes would be. 

FIDE is living in 1970. Here I am. I am an online market for them that they don't want to know about. As an organisation they are bonkers. If I were a lecturer in business at Harvard and I wanted to give a lecture "How NOT to market your product" FIDE would be my first example.

Hmmm your statements about FIDE are probably disagreed with by several hundred million people so expect some controversy in this thread. 

If this gets hundreds of posts then I will say shame on you forum.

This is my real opinion. This is not a troll post. Yes, I do not expect the OP to be popular. But then again, slavery was popular as well.

Whenever I hear that line of reasoning I can't help but immediately recall a futurama (cartoon) quote:

"Yes!  Insane theories 1, regular theories a billion"

That said I didn't actually bother to read your OP line by line.  I'll go back and see what it has to say heh.

Well if your playing strength is 1800 you won't get a title anyways. Also, it takes very few wins to increase ones rating at the start, in about 9 games my FIDE is already over 1600 (and I'm about 1800 strength OTB).

I have chess theories to offer.

Wacky theory: 100 bucks.

extra wacky: 300 bucks

super wacky: 1000 bucks.

Wackier chess theories open to price negotiation in the manager's office...including the price of your soul...

That's not how it works.  You could be rated 1800 in one tournament (one weekend) if you won a lot.  Your first 20 or so games your rating fluctuates wildly (like like new chess.com ratings).  If you were GM strength, it woudln't even take 1 year to get rated 2500.

At a glance I disagree, but whatever.

I think primarily because of cheating.  Or I should say funding, which would itself be lacking because of cheating.

Only the most blatant cheaters cheat on every move, this is not even close to a solution.

That telling us what they know makes it sound trollish aside (as did the first two paragraphs).  If you can make it marketable, they will surely be all over it.  It's just a business.

Yes. I agree that people could cheat with non-engine methods.

But even so I think that there should be such a title. People could gainsay it or have whatever opinion of it that they wish.

because online is stupid, and very few people actually try. Effort is reserved for OTB, which is the only chess that actually counts for something.

In two or three tournaments you could easily reach 1900 if you did well, and theres no smoking at tournaments anymore. Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me.

Your point is that people should be given titles...chosen from a pool of players who dont try?

Its an open forum, people are ALLOWED to give their opinions. 
Also, you complain about OTB issues that just dont exist, all the time. Maybe you should try OTB, 'cause its definately not how you describe it all the time.

 

Those who were wheelchair bound or for other reasons couldn't make it OTB alone or without outside help could benefit.

I don't say for a moment that an online title system does not have issues to overcome. The possibility of cheating with a database, and the statistical standardisation across different sites are probably the biggest issues.

I am arguing that the benefits outweigh the problems. In a similar way to otb titles.

Did you know that in the late 1990's Brititsh Chess magazine ran an article on how cheating was common and increasing in otb chess? They gave the example of a guy who called himself Jon Von Neumann, whacked earphones onto his head beneath long hair, and got hooked up by voice to a person who was feeding him the moves. Go to von neumann and oLaffson and that game is on the net.

OTB chess has huge issues then and now. Now we can even monitor someone's number 1 and 2 habits to see that they are not cheating. Jesus. I don't know what's going on. OTB chess seems crazy and crackpot to me.

Cheating isn't that common OTB.

What are the other issues?, I still dont see why you think its 'crackpot'.

You got a bit off topic there.

Does your argument use toilet scandals to support online titles?

It could have used some summing up at the end... like "because cheating occurs in OTB chess, and OTB chess still has titles, cheating should not be considered an issue for online titles."

And even though that argument is ridiculous, and you're obviously trolling... you know what never mind lol... if this gets hundreds of replies then for shame!

I disagree with that. I think that there is a place in life for a title that relies on the honesty of the person who gets it. People can then regard it as rubbish if they wish to. If I got one and people thought that it was worthless then I would shrug my shoulers and think "ok think what you want" because I would have got it with no engines, databses or anything else.

p.s I was replying to an earlier post that said that a title online would be worthless.

I have adjourned games online and I do not look at any engines or aids before a resumption.

I will add as well that on FICS I have benefited from other people's honesty.

I have had adjudicated games where the other person HAS looked at an engine. They have told me that and have said "well, I've looked at 1 so we better call the game null and void".

if there were online titles, there is no way anyone that was honest coul get one.

I disagree with that. I play in events where none of us cheat in any form.