The last time the United States invaded Canada was the War of 1812. It didn't turn out well for 'Murica then.
Fischer, like it or not, would still be dominant over anybody.
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imsighked2 wrote:
yureesystem wrote:
If Fischer played Karpov and won, Bobby would of been the first 2800 elo. Fischer was like Alekhine who carry his beloved pocket chess set and always studying chess; Carlsen play is sterile and boring, everyone wants to play like him and even amateurs and it leads to boring game, exchange and exchange and going to an endgame; the problem is most player suck at the endgame or can't play positionally. Bring Fischer back and he will dominate all the so call super GMs who are over rated, if the past Soviet GMs rated 2500 to 2600 can win games that these so call super GM can't, there is serious problem and deteriorating chess skills, I believe is all connect to rely engines.
If ifs were skiffs, we'd all float downstream. He went into seclusion, so he never proved he was better than the champions who came later.
Fischer was his worse enemy, he self-destruct; being too stubborn to be flexible in his negotiation with FIDE, he rather lose everything than to compromise.
Fischer would have been demolished by Kasparov.
These threads are getting old. I think we can conclude a few things.
1) we'll never know the answer
2) if Fischer in his 1972 form were just plucked out of 1972 and thrown into 2017, he would not score on par with someone like Carlsen due to his highly outdated understanding of theory
3) Fischer was talented enough in his day that he would likely be a Super-GM today and could contend for a world title if he were in his 1972 age/form and had modern theoretical knowledge
4) given the rather small difference between World Champion (Carlsen) and other strong Super-GMs (So, Caruana, Nakamura, Giri, Aronian), it's impossible to arrive at a conclusion on whether he would actually be World Champion
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May 10, 2017
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Anand reported that Fischer distrusted everything, which hampered his learning. The historical Fischer distrusted engines so completely that he doubted their evaluations.
Fischer was a player of the 1970s. He had the strengths and weaknesses of players from his generation.
You can't make a strong argument that all we'd need to do is update Fischer's opening repertoire and he'd be competitive. He would have to change his entire personality to be competitive today.
The historical Fischer was incredibly strong. It wasn't until Kasparov came along that Fischer was surpassed. But he was surpassed. And today's players are accelerating beyond that level.
Kasparov maintained an incredibly high level that only Carlsen has been able to match. But there are more than a dozen players who have now passed Fischer. And sure, they had help. Fischer didn't trust that help, and would not have been able to keep up.
Fischer was a great player.
fuzzbug wrote:
I love the way beginners in any discipline feel qualified to make assertions on the top performers of that discipline, when the beginners have nary a clue what it takes to be the best in that field.
The naivete is so charming.
May 10, 2017
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LeeTaylor85 wrote:
You see all these post about Bobby Fischer, and alot of them you see people saying that opening theory has changed too much and that if Fischer at his "peak" came to the present that he wouldn't be able to compete with the top 10. I call bull crap. The thing about Fischer was that he prepared like nobody's business. His play was more accurate than anybody, his skills in the endgame are unsurpassed. Fischer wasn't scared of Karpov in 75, he made World Champion, which was all that he wanted to begin with. He had nothing left to prove, so when FIDE refused his demands he opted not to play, based on principles and wanting better conditions for players. Fischer kept up with professional chess throughout the rest of his life, studied it passionately, and still played strong GM's regularly outside of tournament play. To try and say that 71 or 72 was his peak is ridiculous. He kept his strength and his edge, but chose not to play professionally for personal reasons. He would have destroyed Kasparov over and over.
You must be talking about something else. You are all over the place. Saying that he would beat Kasparov over and over in the body of the post and comparing to the title of the post are so far apart it's not funny. Kasparov became world champion 32 years ago! 1985! This is 2017 dude! And if he were alive today, he would not be dominant against other world champions, unless we are talking something other than chess. Maybe he'd pee more than the other GMs and win the bladder contest!
He'd possibly be top 10 today. No more than that.
As far as I know Fischer was very paranoid so he would not trust the internet very much. Still he used it- he had his own website, full of the crimes of the Jews etc. So with all the devices, mobile phones, he would likely not play a game these days. Of course if he was born at the same time as an Anand or Carlsen maybe he would. I once asked him a question at his website- he crossed out my email address and said he was much more traceble than in the "old" days. I even got an answer. He would "outsmart" them all. Haha, a few months he got caught!
May 11, 2017
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Kasparov speaking about Fischer's ability: "... his chess was brilliant."
If you took Fischer straight out of the past and had him compete with no exposure to new theory? He'd probably find himself very frustrated by engine-prepared opponents.
Give him some time to acquaint himself with engines and the latest games? He'd be back on the top all over again. No doubt. #1? Maybe. Maybe not. But certainly in the top 10.
Asked about how Fischer would fare against himself, Carlsen, or Kasparov, Hikaru Nakamura said: "If Fischer had a few years to use computers, I think he would probably be on the same level."
Heck, he was playing at a near-2800 level in the 1970's, using primarily his own OTB studies. Can you imagine what a monster he would've been with today's engines to help him train?
Fischer indeed resembled a kind of Frankenstein...
Naka will be champ cause 'Murica