I think on move 5 white could go into the maroczy bind
Fisher vs. Kasparov
I know after being destroyed by Kasparov, Fischer would call him a "dirty jew, commie-woman".
Since Kasparov didnt "destroy" Spassky nor Petrosian ( 50 % against both ) and Fischer did its VERY unreasonable to believe Kasparov would destroy Fischer. As for the name calling, did Fischer ever call anyone who beat him such names ?
I know after being destroyed by Kasparov, Fischer would call him a "dirty jew, commie-woman".
Since Kasparov didnt "destroy" Spassky nor Petrosian ( 50 % against both ) and Fischer did its VERY unreasonable to believe Kasparov would destroy Fischer. As for the name calling, did Fischer ever call anyone who beat him such names ?
I think "destroy" is appropriate there, National Master Reb. I don't know if he did call people names after having been beat. I assume he would call Kasparov "a little pinko, girl-jew". I don't think that would have been suprising.
I know after being destroyed by Kasparov, Fischer would call him a "dirty jew, commie-woman".
Since Kasparov didnt "destroy" Spassky nor Petrosian ( 50 % against both ) and Fischer did its VERY unreasonable to believe Kasparov would destroy Fischer. As for the name calling, did Fischer ever call anyone who beat him such names ?
I think "destroy" is appropriate there, National Master Reb. I don't know if he did call people names after having been beat. I assume he would call Kasparov "a little pinko, girl-jew". I don't think that would have been suprising.
Well, since I have never read of Fischer ever calling such names to any opponent that defeated him , even those he didnt like, I make no such assumption and wonder why you do since the evidence doesnt indicate that he would do such a thing. If anything, Kasparovs chess "manners " are far more questionable than Fischer's.
Here are a few quotes, National Master Reb, from Fischer in public interviews that tells me that good manners was something Fischer did not agree with:
"One of the reasons the God-damn Jews hate me so much, is that all my games are real. Nothing is prearranged, its all over the board, and if I play great, I play great. If I plunder my Queen, I'm looking to mate him too. That's real, y'know. Not like the God-damn Russian Jew players. It's all staged."
"Karpov, Kasparov, Korchnoi have absolutely destroyed chess by their immoral, unethical, prearranged games. These guys are really the lowest dogs around, and if people knew the truth about them, they would be held in more contempt than Ben Johnson, the runner, and they're going to know the truth when I do this book!"
"They're lying bastards. Jews were always lying bastards throughout their history. They're a filthy, dirty, disgusting, vile, criminal people."
"They're all weak, all women. They're stupid compared to men. They shouldn't play chess, you know. They're like beginners. They lose every single game against a man. There isn't a woman player in the world I can't give knight-odds to and still beat."
And many more wonderful quotes from that gentleman that leads me to believe my assumptions may not be too suprising.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer
The position in the diagram is NOT the Najdorf variation, that would be 4. ...Nf6 instead of 4. ...Nc6, and, Fischer being Black here, you could be nearly 100% sure that he would play the Najdorf, but not what's in your diagram...
Here are a few quotes, National Master Reb, from Fischer in public interviews that tells me that good manners was something Fischer did not agree with:
"One of the reasons the God-damn Jews hate me so much, is that all my games are real. Nothing is prearranged, its all over the board, and if I play great, I play great. If I plunder my Queen, I'm looking to mate him too. That's real, y'know. Not like the God-damn Russian Jew players. It's all staged."
"Karpov, Kasparov, Korchnoi have absolutely destroyed chess by their immoral, unethical, prearranged games. These guys are really the lowest dogs around, and if people knew the truth about them, they would be held in more contempt than Ben Johnson, the runner, and they're going to know the truth when I do this book!"
"They're lying bastards. Jews were always lying bastards throughout their history. They're a filthy, dirty, disgusting, vile, criminal people."
"They're all weak, all women. They're stupid compared to men. They shouldn't play chess, you know. They're like beginners. They lose every single game against a man. There isn't a woman player in the world I can't give knight-odds to and still beat."
And many more wonderful quotes from that gentleman that leads me to believe my assumptions may not be too suprising.
I am aware of Fischer's hatred and bitterness in his later years but this not mean he would say such things to an opponent who had just beaten him. I believe Fischer said these things after 1972 and perhaps most of his hate filled rants were even after 1992 when he was basically exiled from his own country for disobeying sanctions that noone else in the world was punished for when they also disobeyed such sanctions. His exile also prevented him from attending his own mother's funeral when she died as he feared he would be locked up if he came into the US and his fears were probably correct. Then there is the issue of all his personal belongings being confiscated/stolen and then auctioned off, even family photographs !! How can anyone be surprised by this mans outrage and hatred after all this ?? People have murdered others for far less than this. You might not be such a nice person either if you had endured these things and also been abandoned by both mother and father..... would you ? The fact is though, that he NEVER said such ugly and rude things to any opponent in his chess playing career, win , lose, or draw. Kasparov once said that the only way to fairly compare champions from different eras was by how much they dominated their peers at the time and that by this measure Fischer was indeed the best ever, Kasparov said this here in Lisbon at a press conference when he was a guest of the Lisbon Open in the late 90s.
Fischer only dominated for very few years though.
Well, this is true and if this is what matters most to you then you would have to go with Lasker as best ever ( length of time at the top ). This would make Tal one of the weakest world champions as he was champ even less time than Fischer due to rematch clause. Most people believe that Fischer would have remained WC for at least another decade, had he continued to play. His most formidable opponent would be Karpov for that decade with little doubt.
I think the main thing that gives Kasparov an edge over Fischer is that Kasparov had the opportunity to study Fischer, but Fischer, having come before, did not get this chance.
Fischer only dominated for very few years though.
Well, this is true and if this is what matters most to you then you would have to go with Lasker as best ever ( length of time at the top ). This would make Tal one of the weakest world champions as he was champ even less time than Fischer due to rematch clause. Most people believe that Fischer would have remained WC for at least another decade, had he continued to play. His most formidable opponent would be Karpov for that decade with little doubt.
This isn´t only what matters to me, but ofcourse it is one factor to factor in.
There's a lot of truth in what you're saying about Fischer, Reb, but you do overdefend him a little bit. Fischer was a Nazi from his childhood on, he was fascinated by Hitler and there's always been hatred against jews inside him, not only in his older days... There's no need to defend a person like that. He's been a chess genius, of course, but also a very disgusting personality, no point arguing over that.
Here are a few quotes, National Master Reb, from Fischer in public interviews that tells me that good manners was something Fischer did not agree with:
"One of the reasons the God-damn Jews hate me so much, is that all my games are real. Nothing is prearranged, its all over the board, and if I play great, I play great. If I plunder my Queen, I'm looking to mate him too. That's real, y'know. Not like the God-damn Russian Jew players. It's all staged."
"Karpov, Kasparov, Korchnoi have absolutely destroyed chess by their immoral, unethical, prearranged games. These guys are really the lowest dogs around, and if people knew the truth about them, they would be held in more contempt than Ben Johnson, the runner, and they're going to know the truth when I do this book!"
"They're lying bastards. Jews were always lying bastards throughout their history. They're a filthy, dirty, disgusting, vile, criminal people."
"They're all weak, all women. They're stupid compared to men. They shouldn't play chess, you know. They're like beginners. They lose every single game against a man. There isn't a woman player in the world I can't give knight-odds to and still beat."
And many more wonderful quotes from that gentleman that leads me to believe my assumptions may not be too suprising.
I am aware of Fischer's hatred and bitterness in his later years but this not mean he would say such things to an opponent who had just beaten him. I believe Fischer said these things after 1972 and perhaps most of his hate filled rants were even after 1992 when he was basically exiled from his own country for disobeying sanctions that noone else in the world was punished for when they also disobeyed such sanctions. His exile also prevented him from attending his own mother's funeral when she died as he feared he would be locked up if he came into the US and his fears were probably correct. Then there is the issue of all his personal belongings being confiscated/stolen and then auctioned off, even family photographs !! How can anyone be surprised by this mans outrage and hatred after all this ?? People have murdered others for far less than this. You might not be such a nice person either if you had endured these things and also been abandoned by both mother and father..... would you ? The fact is though, that he NEVER said such ugly and rude things to any opponent in his chess playing career, win , lose, or draw.
Introducing your own assumption as a "fact", National Master Reb? Let me get this straight, Bobby Fischer had every right to be an asshole because he couldn't go to his mother's funeral, and his pictures of his family were stolen? Fischer is so wonderful because after all the sad, sad things that happened to him he still did not kill anyone? Sounds like blind love to me National Master Reb. Poor, poor, misunderstood Bobby "People have murdered for far less than this" Fischer...
Fischer only dominated for very few years though.
Well, this is true and if this is what matters most to you then you would have to go with Lasker as best ever ( length of time at the top ). This would make Tal one of the weakest world champions as he was champ even less time than Fischer due to rematch clause. Most people believe that Fischer would have remained WC for at least another decade, had he continued to play. His most formidable opponent would be Karpov for that decade with little doubt.
This isn´t only what matters to me, but ofcourse it is one factor to factor in.
Yeah, but Laskers time not much people were good because lack of information (books/internet), and in our time every1 is good due to the internet, tons of books and chess clubs, tons of coaches.
Kasparov would be more impressive because he dominated for a long time as well which is impressive (not as long as lasker), and in a time where studying was easier then in laskers time.
Do you see many miniatures in the GM level these days? no, but in Laskers time there were many, which explain Top level players in Laskers time was not as good as Kasparovs time.
Here are a few quotes, National Master Reb, from Fischer in public interviews that tells me that good manners was something Fischer did not agree with:
"One of the reasons the God-damn Jews hate me so much, is that all my games are real. Nothing is prearranged, its all over the board, and if I play great, I play great. If I plunder my Queen, I'm looking to mate him too. That's real, y'know. Not like the God-damn Russian Jew players. It's all staged."
"Karpov, Kasparov, Korchnoi have absolutely destroyed chess by their immoral, unethical, prearranged games. These guys are really the lowest dogs around, and if people knew the truth about them, they would be held in more contempt than Ben Johnson, the runner, and they're going to know the truth when I do this book!"
"They're lying bastards. Jews were always lying bastards throughout their history. They're a filthy, dirty, disgusting, vile, criminal people."
"They're all weak, all women. They're stupid compared to men. They shouldn't play chess, you know. They're like beginners. They lose every single game against a man. There isn't a woman player in the world I can't give knight-odds to and still beat."
And many more wonderful quotes from that gentleman that leads me to believe my assumptions may not be too suprising.
I am aware of Fischer's hatred and bitterness in his later years but this not mean he would say such things to an opponent who had just beaten him. I believe Fischer said these things after 1972 and perhaps most of his hate filled rants were even after 1992 when he was basically exiled from his own country for disobeying sanctions that noone else in the world was punished for when they also disobeyed such sanctions. His exile also prevented him from attending his own mother's funeral when she died as he feared he would be locked up if he came into the US and his fears were probably correct. Then there is the issue of all his personal belongings being confiscated/stolen and then auctioned off, even family photographs !! How can anyone be surprised by this mans outrage and hatred after all this ?? People have murdered others for far less than this. You might not be such a nice person either if you had endured these things and also been abandoned by both mother and father..... would you ? The fact is though, that he NEVER said such ugly and rude things to any opponent in his chess playing career, win , lose, or draw.
Introducing your own assumption as a "fact", National Master Reb? Let me get this straight, Bobby Fischer had every right to be an asshole because he couldn't go to his mother's funeral, and his pictures of his family were stolen? Fischer is so wonderful because after all the sad, sad things that happened to him he still did not kill anyone? Sounds like blind love to me National Master Reb. Poor, poor, misunderstood Bobby "People have murdered for far less than this" Fischer...
What assumption of mine have I introduced as "fact" ? The only fact I have introduced is that he never said such rude /insulting things to an opponent of his after a game, win lose, or draw. Do you know of a game of his that proves this wrong ? I have read almost everything I can get my hands on concerning Fischer and everything I have read has said his behavior at the board towards his opponents was always impeccable/correct. He often had battles with organizers/arbiters and other officials of events, this is well known but he always behaved " correctly " during games. I dont love Fischer, I never met him. I also dont hate Fischer, I never met him. I do love his chess and what he did for chess before he quit. I hate that he quit chess and became bitter and hateful as a recluse in his later years. I also hate what happened to him that pushed him to become what he became. Fischer and Spassky are my biggest idols in chess because of their 72 match, due to them I became a tournament chess player.
There is an old indian ( american variety ) proverb that might best explain to you how I feel about all this : never judge another man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins...... it goes something like that. It seems to me you hate Fischer and we have this debate because I do not. He also said nasty/hateful and ugly things about Americans too and I am American but still I do not hate him. I am a chess player and those I idolize due to their chess do not have to be perfect human beings, if you feel differently thats fine by me just dont say things that are basically your assumptions colored by your own hatred such as what he WOULD call Kasparov if Kasparov beat him in a game of chess.
How would a game between fisher and kasparov turn out? What moves would be next?