Flaggers

#128

Yeah I get it, “you both signed up for the rules”. I was hoping people already understood my perspective on that as well. For the 10th time, even if it’s within the rules, the players have the option to resign, which I feel is the right thing to do if the position is lost, which it was. If the position is not lost, show me. Like I said, let’s play it out. It’s also not about that single game. I made that example because it’s clearly lost for the other person who refuses to resign but, that’s not the point. The point is that this happens constantly. It’s a mindset of a lot of chess players. “I will just move quickly so that my rating does not go down even though I played poorly”. It’s just my opinion, I don’t respect that at all. No one’s mind is being changed so again, let’s just end the conversation.

Why to resign when he can win the game fair and square?

Its clearly evident from the screenshot they were ahead both in time and material

You don't get to decide what's the right thing to do . 

" I will just move quickly so that my rating does not go down. " Even though this is not worded in the most appropriate way , that's what is and should be the mentality of anyone who plays blitz . The very reason this format exists is to mix up time management with chess. If you want a game where you want to beat someone or get beaten by someone purely on the basis of chess skills , play a format with longer time controls

If you want a game of chess to be over in 10 minutes, you have to play quickly.If you play so slow that the game can't finish properly, you deserve to get penalised.

And it's not the other player's fault if you get flagged. You had a whole 5 minutes to do as many moves as you wanted. You should have managed your time better.

If you get flagged in a blitz or rapid game it’s your fault for taking too long. If you’re complaining about being flagged in bullet… nothing to say. Don’t play bullet because the essence of it is for flagging to be there.

Why people are complaining against flagging  

Play rapid and with increments, like 15 +10 
If you still get flagged, play Daily chess.

A game of chess in only ended by checkmate. If you can’t checkmate your opponent you don’t win, simple. If you cannot checkmate in an allocated time, even with an advantage, you don’t earn the win, and will either lose on time or get a draw.

In the screenshot you made what could be considered a ‘match losing blunder’. If this blunder was so bad, why didn’t you resign, instead of playing on?

However, I agree with you, flagging is in the game, and I personally do it, but you can’t help feeling frustrated when you’re in a completely winning position and a banner pops on the screen saying you lost by timeout. It is quite frustrating.

Really?
Check out some blitz & rapid FIDE tournaments, people get flagged because they can't manage the time control.
Maybe this is your interpretation on how a chess game should end (checkmate or draw), but this is how it is (and I like that people can be flagged ; but when I play 15+10, I know that flagging is very difficult).

The idea of a mandatory checkmate to win is not silly, but looking at blitz or bullet games, many moves are made in a hurry and even if a checkmate is delivered, that's not from quality chess.

 

 

What I see is that your 20 second blunder led them to decide to flag you when you were lost, but the position remained complex. They succeeded. Well-played. 

When this happens to me, and it does, I recognize that the problem is in my performance. 

 

You were lost with a horrid position and twenty seconds left. You turned the game around, but not fast enough.

I love how he keeps answering the same questions over and over again but never answers the real questions lol... still hoping to convince others to agree that he was the moral victor 

 

If time is such an issue... again - why don't you just ask your opponent for time odds?

 

The game is not over until is over, and that's in any sport... i've seen football/soccer teams score 3 goals in the last 3 minutes and come back from 2-0

I've seen tennis players losing by 2 sets and 5-0 in the third set come back and win.

I've seen chess world champions miss mate in 1 and hang their queens in classical

I guarantee most of the positions you got flagged when up a lot of material if it was me or many other chess players with some 15 seconds we would have been able to deliver checkmate by pre-moving.

It's not brainless moving - far from it... there are a lot of techniques and strategy in flagging and moving fast like anticipating your opponents move and playing a move that makes it illegal (Like blocking the path of a bishop move for example) and making your opponent lose time, among others.... and if you can't recognize that then you're not qualified for a valid opinion... and I mean, if you can't checkmate an opponent who is "brainlessly moving their pieces" when you're up so much material... that says more about you than anything else...

 

And then again, the other day I was playing we were both in time trouble and I had a knight and 2 pawns and my opponent had a queen rook and pawn and i forked him twice and capture both his rook and queen when he got into time trouble... you're telling me I should have resigned?

Sportsmanship is doing your best and taking your opponent seriously, and that's what I did... 

Your analogies are nonsensical... time is a factor in any time format... but sure, go ahead choose to ignore this and stay in your delusional narrative where you earned the win because your opponent who was in time trouble and was down on material and was making random brainless moves  was "unsportsmanlike" to manage his time better than yours...

#132

In the screenshot I’m playing as black and I’m up two pawns. What are you talking about?

#143

I’ve said several times that I’m not expecting to change anyone’s mind. How can you “guarantee” anything like that? I can guarantee you if you were up a bunch of material Dylan and I only had 15 seconds I could checkmate you using pre-moves? Haha, what? A lot of times it is brainless moving. They’re running out of time so they blunder all of their remaining pieces to try to flag me. Happens all the time. I haven’t looked at your account so I don’t know what your rating is, for all I know you could actually be a skilled player in fast time controls. A lot of the people I play against are not. That’s what’s frustrating, it’s poor Chess. It’s like the people I play against are simply moving their pieces quickly without thinking at all.

If they are moving their pieces quickly without thinking at all , and yet you aren't able to punish them , its you being inefficient .

I recently played a game where someone opened the game like this. A3, B3, C3, D3, E3, F3, something asinine like that. I’m just trying to move fast lol! It’s almost not even Chess at that point. That is the kind of nonsense that I deal with on a daily basis. And then people on here defend that. Cool, do what you want! Just expressing that that is pretty whack in my opinion. What’s most common is they start playing actual chess in the beginning. When the clock gets down to the wire and they know their position is lost, they will just push any piece trying to flag.

@dylanpthomas, the solution is very simple: just outplay them faster. You couldn't? Oh ...

#146

I do punish them. They blunder all of their pieces away and I capture them. Even when the time is down to the wire I try to actually think but, it’s not always easy to find a checkmate within five seconds.