FM Borislav Ivanov Disqualified

Crime how?  If it is a crime, then that means a law is broken.  Laws are published, so people know what is illegal and what is not.

So can anyone here cite any law that makes cheating at chess a crime?

Hmm K_C is back as your usual self.

Ok, I found one, http://law.onecle.com/michigan/750-michigan-penal-code/mcl-750-280.html

It is not about chess specifically, but is based on "common law cheating".

And KCO, huh?  Incomprehensible.

I assume there are also several similar laws.

I found one in Florida also. 

Although I think in practical terms, most people prosecuted for cheating in games or sports are done so under laws that specifically criminalize cheating in that sport, such as the bass fishing cheating law discussed earlier.

Fraud is on the books in just about every state. Cheating is a type of fraud, and if money is involved, it is criminal. Though in many states, a threshhold of a certain amount of money must be reached.

At the federal level, if the amount is less than $20 it is a class C misdemeanor. It reaches felony levels at $1500.

Will explain simpler (just for you).

Please quit being a 'flaming' pain-in-the-arse?

If you have something positive to contribute then do so.

Most jurisdictions have a Fraud 'chapter' in their statutes that covers a multitude of specific types of fraud and their elements, and no longer have a general fraud statute.

Although at common law, cheating in sports would not constitute fraud or false pretences since one common law element of fraud or false pretences is that the defendant intended to cause the victim to transfer title to property or money.

Therefore, it would have to be proven that the deception was done for money, rather than just to win, which is almost impossible.  Plus, that's probably what's really going on anyway.  Winning and notoreity is probably the real intent of the cheaters anyway, not money.

I have contributed many specific points to this discussion.  Sorry if discussion of the law or citation of relevant statutes is utterly incomprehensible to you. 

Is your smattering of broken English sentence fragments and sniping a positive contribution to anything?

Kindly_Chass 

• Member Since:Jul 14, 2013

Right?

Okay wiseguy... 

Yeah I joined on Bastille Day.

Sorry, I did not realize that one had to be a member for a certain time before commenting on this Ivanov discussion.

My bad, sir.

Welcome to chess.com!

Have a nice-time and a good day!!

Ok sure...hold on.

I just signed up for a Gold membership. 

What do you mean I will be likely gone tomorrow?

Thanks. 

np. 

That looks like a cross between Chazz Palmentieri and Leo Di Caprio.

lol.

Uh, that is Borislav Ivanov.

@FirebrandX: No, netzach is not a troll like that and he is sincerely Scottish. I know that, because a time ago I mentioned some great football players and he complained there were no Scottish football players in the list.

I agreed with his comments at first. Oh no, not again... However Kindly_Chass found some laws himself, displaying an active attitude. That makes a real difference imo.

@Kindly_Chass: Borislav Ivanov has got a FIDE-title with his play. That title shows a certain strength in chess. If you offer yourself as a chess teacher (which he does), then can you ask more money with that title. Other players have got there by blood, sweat and tears. There is not a big market for that kind of teaching, he might undermine the market for the other players.

If a cheater is uncaught yet so clearly cheating, then does that harm the reputation of FIDE and its title mechanism. The proof so far is conclusive that he is cheating. How he did it, is not clear yet. FIDE must find an answer to it, otherwise can cheaters undermine the validity of the ranking and title system. Which sponsor will pay for a tournament in which the players can not be proven to be real good chess players?

It is fraud, but not on a massive scale. He would not get into jail for that in the Netherlands, but would have to pay a fine and perform public service for some weeks or months. And there are a lot of jobs he does not have to apply to anymore for the rest of his life, because he is convicted once.

The people here persistently doubt that a proof by statistic is correct.

In doing that, they forget that ALL proofs in court are by statistics.

I grow tired of the "argument" going on there.

It's not whether "innocent until proven guilty" should apply here or not. It should, but Ivanov has been proven guilty. Not by stenograph or other oracles, but by statistical analysis and math.

Arguing that statistical analysis is not "real" evidence is like arguing that eye witnesses (not reliable), DNA and fingerprints (hey, there is some little chance that someone shares the DNA somewhere ?), or props (well, many people walk around with a knife in their pocket, with the blood of the victim) are not "real" evidence.