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i dont think the intellect can come up with a solution for God.  We cannot solve the problem through thought.  So all these arguments are not going to get anywhere.  Seeing as this is a construct and not a true reality.  And we dont even know parts of ourselves that are hidden deep down somewhere you see what im saying.  maybe this is just stream of thought, someone know anything about DMT?  THe SPIRIT Molecule the thing that gets released when you are near death.  Maybe that can help you find God?  

i keep suppressing the spirit lol i cant think straight and drinking.... and my phone dead and my car got towed and my charger i left at work.. so i pulled up the computer but now i cant do the premoves so quick with the quick twitch fingers that helped me win games with little time on the clock

Yeah, the really difficult thing is God (at least the standard Christian conception of God) is literally beyond everything.

Is God big? Well no, not really. If God created spatial dimensions, then God is beyond the concept of size.

Is God old? Well no, not really. If God created time, then God is beyond the concept of age.

Is God good? Well, God created good and evil, so not that either (if whatever God does is "good" by definition, then God is not bound by standard ideas of good and evil, God is just God).

Literally anything you can think of, God made that. God is beyond reason. You can't give a logical argument for God because God exists before and beyond logic. God is supernatural, so no natural evidence can create an argument that ends with "and therefore God."

This is one of the reasons I decided to become an atheist, because there is literally zero good evidence for a being that's beyond everything (even if he exists you can't ever support it). And on the other side, there are very sensible explanations for why religions exist (humans all through time, and in every culture and country, make up religions and then believe in them). After I realized that, the only sensible choice was...

So yeah, I agree with your first sentence of the post I quoted above

llama. earth to Llama, what about the smartest man on earth by far, who came up with nearly every invention including the precursor to what we are using right now.  Nikola Tesla, he believed in God, If a dude that smart, and im not talking just smart, this guy was beyond smart, but not only was he a genius, he also had a good heart, he tore down most of his inventions because he saw that they could be used as weapons of mass destruction. he Believed in God.  its fine i was an atheist too, everyone changes, its healthy to question the faith because alot of them pervert it and use it for their own personal gain.  Yeah thats a turn off also so I see why alot of people are turning away, but that is not what the Church is really about, im not going to get into it all right now but yeah, and i loled when you said you agree with myfirst sentence being so specific because yeah i can get up in the clouds and say some out there shet 

Tesla was a pioneer in electrical engineering, realizing some of what are today fundamentals about power transfer... this is hardly inventing every modern thing. Of course many pioneers (of any field) were geniuses, but the game of "this guy was a genius and this is what he believed" isn't one you want to play... there are a boatload of "smart" people who were not religious. Newton, and Einstein are easy to mention.

But it's a bad argument anyway. Expertise in one area doesn't make you knowledgeable in other areas.

And Tesla wasn't as religious as you make him out to be. A quick google gives this quote:

"While I am not a believer in the orthodox sense, I commend religion, first, because every individual should have some ideal--religious, artistic, scientific, or humanitarian--to give significance to his life. Second, because all the great religions contain wise prescriptions relating to the conduct of life, which hold good now as they did when they were promulgated."

Sure, I'll agree with him on that. Seems like a pretty atheist and rational way of looking at it... like I said earlier in this topic, religion may not be true, but it has practical value.

And see, this is one of the main problems with religion and its relationship to knowledge. A religious person tends to derive knowledge from authority and tradition (science derives knowledge from logic and evidence). Your argument is God exists because an authority figure believed in him... this is a completely silly epistemology.

LLama, interesting you mention Einstein, because in an interview he was asked what it was like being the smartest man in the world and he said," I dont know you will have to ask Tesla."  These quick google searches cant portray the true life Of Tesla, his stuff is hidden you have to look deep because the stuff he wanted to do was not going to fly with the people that had the monopoly on fossil fuels.  And do you notice the pattern?  Einstein and Newton were both very devout and had the faith as children, but then they felt they were deceived in believing lies and as they grew up, became more agnostic and such.

Tesla was not orthodox in his faith, but he called God the "Force". When he got an idea, he didnt construct it, he said that it just appeared in his mind!  entire plans and inner working of complex systems just popped up in his mind!  Did you know thats where George Lucas took that idea from, and also Tesla was the one to come up with the Death Ray.  Death Star.  He said he knows this "Force" exists, but could not understand it, and thats what we like to do as humans, we want to understand things, to grasp and unveil them, and do you notice that God never shows Himself?  Hes always coming to people as fire or as a hand or some SHET!  

Have you ever heard of non physical phenomena??  So called psychic powers?  how can we describe impossible events?  did you know Tesla warned J.P Morgan to cancel his tickets on the maiden voyage of the Titanic? and JP listened.   He also warned some of his friends to stay in the city and this train shortly crashed thereafter.  

I have an experiment also that proved to me there is some type of non physical phenomena at play here in each of our lives.  I can tell you about it sometime.  God is just a word, we dont really know what it is, but you have to admit there is something deep going down that the eye cant see, its like a feeling, and if God exists, its just hard to communicate with this entity, its much easier to communicate with lesser spirits, ive done that easy.  

Sure, people on every continent, in every culture, all through time have believed in various spirits and supernatural things.

The Statue of Zeus was one of the 7 wonders of the world, and Zeus was worshiped as a God for about 1000 years.

It's just something humans do.

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well why cant science study the physics behind non physical phenomena?

That's just not the definition of science. It's like asking why can't a loaf of bread be an octopus. If something can't be touched or felt or tested in any way, it's by definition not science and can't be proven. Sure you can have mathematical proofs, but math is not necessarily science (though the topic is hotly debated); rather, it's used by science.

Anything that can't be proven or disproven in the physical world is a matter for other fields of study or just reckless speculation.

You ever seen the 6th sense? You can feel certain things even if you can't touch them. For example just like an animal knows or can sense when it's about to be attacked we know when someone is about to fight us or if someone has a eerie vibration. People can sense when others are pedophiles or violent it's something hard to describe but do you know what I mean? It's reading people's energy. Now for a way to empirically quantify that I don't know there's gotta be a way if there's a will. People can also sense warm kindred spirits for example when I was doing lots of upper drugs people wouldn't let me in a certain building but when I cleaned myself up people let me in to any building even if I don't live there and it says to not let people in. They can sense that my intentions are benevolent and at the times when I was in the throes of the addiction I had more predator intentions. And there's a way to augment your energy and suppress it I'm sure you know about that. So I'm sure there a way if not I'll figure it out

And people can sense when they are being stared at? Why? Have you ever tested this? It's the eyes chico they are the window to something

I tested this by climbing a tree at night by a college campus in a forest at night. Then started people watching. Whenever they came under the tree they stopped, as was intently staring at them, they had some type of feeling I'm sure but they never had the sense to look up. It was dark out too to be fair

Because that's a totally a not-crazy thing to do lol

I usually call the cops when boys in trees are staring at me.