Owen’s defense vs modern defense

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exceptionalfork
blueemu wrote:

In the Modern defense, Black's c7-c5 lever move gives excellent counterplay in several variations (such as some of the Bg5 variations, which are specifically directed against Black's alternative e7-e5 Pawn break).

In the Owen's Defense, the corresponding lever move f7-f5 is a bit trappy but frankly idiotic.

c7-c5 is the main lever in the Owen's as well, no? According to the chess.com database, this is the main line:

blueemu

Yes, but with the Bishop fianchettoed on the opposite flank, on b7 instead of g7, the lever move c7-c5 in the Owen's is not "the corresponding move" to the lever move c7-c5 in the Modern.

In the Modern, the move c7-c5 gives you a converging attack on the same center Pawn that the Bishop has taken under fire. The "corresponding move" in the Owen's would be f7-f5.

Please note the use of word "corresponding" in my post above.

darkunorthodox88
blueemu wrote:
MaestroDelAjedrez2025 wrote:

The Owen's defense is similar to the Modern defense

No... it isn't.

In the Modern defense, Black's c7-c5 lever move gives excellent counterplay in several variations (such as some of the Bg5 variations, which are specifically directed against Black's alternative e7-e5 Pawn break).

In the Owen's Defense, the corresponding lever move f7-f5 is a bit trappy but frankly idiotic.

This is one of the reasons that the Owen's defense offers less counter-play than the Modern.

this is a dubious argument. i can easily counter by saying, thats offset by the fact the d pawn is already defended when its on d4 and white can play c3, whereas white has to think twice about playing f3 in the owen's and thats not seen in any of the critical lines.

AssaultingChicken

I don’t often play them but I kinda like Owen’s defence (I haven’t played the modern before 🤪)

yetanotheraoc
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

white has to think twice about playing f3 in the owen's and thats not seen in any of the critical lines.

If I recall correctly from Soltis (1977) Defense P-QN3 , Ken Regan answered with 3 f3 with 3... d5 !?. I could only find one game where 3 f3 was played against me. It's only blitz, apologies if it has no theoretical value.

yetanotheraoc

Here is the Regan game.