The "verbose" option isn't really too helpful. It inserts (sometimes snarky) little comments that are already implied by the listed variations.
I think you might get more variations if you set the "threshold" parameter lower. It should be 30 by default. Try setting it to 20 or even 15, and you should see a lot more variations.
I love the snarky fritz comments! I also like that when analyzing my own games it will give ! to my moves (not very often) and ?? (much more often!)
to me the comments also dirrect me to critical points in the game. I tend to get 'lost' in line after line after line of calculation/variations.
Just my two cents.
I haven't used this feature for the past several years. Analyzing games on my own with occasional blunder checks with the engine is far more fruitful.
Nonetheless, nothing beats Fritz for auto-analysis. Perhaps you'll find of interest my article comparing this feature in Fritz and Chessmaster: http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2009/12/chessmaster-versus-fritz-analysis.html
I do a quick analysis on my own first, but I always run Fritz over my long games and play over all the variations. It's nice to have a little library of analyzed games I can refer back to, to see what I still need to work on.
Has anybody used Komodo? How does it compare to Fritz? I thought about buying it, but already having Fritz, I wonder if it would make sense. Any thoughts?
I bought Fritz 14 recently. Yesterday I put the game Deep Blue-Kasparov (3rd game of the 1996 game, a Sicilian Alapin) for an 8 hour Full Analysis (with "verbose" option on). This morning I see a pretty pityful analysis; just some short comments; I am amazed about this after 8 hours! I thought I would see "pages" of analysis, with different variations, etc. Am I missing some feature here? I had the "verbose" option on. Are there other engines that do a better job? Very grateful for any comments/suggestions to make the most of Fritz's analysis feature. Thanks.
If you think getting comments like "That wont get the cat off the roof" is going to help your game, youre mistaken.
You dont need to run a game for 8 hours. You can set a game for 5 seconds a move, and will get great analysis. It will also depend on what you have the threshold set at. I set mine on Fritz 13 for .33 of a pawn, which is 1 tempo.
You also dont need pages of analysis. Blunder check might be a better option.
Knight ... I am thinking more of the analyses features; rather than actual playing. On that front, Fritz is more than enough of course!
I have heard of Stockfish; how do I install it? Is it free? Thanks a lot to you and everybody else for their feedback! Carlos.
Has anybody used Komodo? How does it compare to Fritz? I thought about buying it, but already having Fritz, I wonder if it would make sense. Any thoughts?
Up until a couple of years ago, i used Fritz 5.32 because it was free. Even though it was "only" rated around 2500-2600, that is still better than me, and its still GM analysis.
What do you expect to get from stockfish, that you wont from Fritz? Unless youre a wrld class player, it doesnt matter for the average player which engine you use.
I am second: I do not want another engine to play against (I seldom do actually). To me engines are helpful to analyze games. And my question was if Stockfisch offers better "full analysis" of games than, say, Fritz. I don't think Fritz does a very good job on this dimension ... I would like to run an analysis for 4 hours and get a nice analysis with key variations etc. I don't see that in Fritz. I have to do it "by hand" so to speak once I go over some game myself.
I am second: I do not want another engine to play against (I seldom do actually). To me engines are helpful to analyze games. And my question was if Stockfisch offers better "full analysis" of games than, say, Fritz. I don't think Fritz does a very good job on this dimension ... I would like to run an analysis for 4 hours and get a nice analysis with key variations etc. I don't see that in Fritz. I have to do it "by hand" so to speak once I go over some game myself.
What exactly are you looking for in your analysis?
What are you setting the threshold at?
Are you using an opening book?
I wasnt implying that you were loking to play engines against each other, i was asking how much more do you expect to get from stockfish, that you arent getting from Fritz?
Stockfish is rated 3390 Fritz 3077. I have no iea what your rating is, but unless youre a world class GM, i dont see what more youre getting from stockfish, than Fritz. Thats all i was getting at.
I am second: I was expecting a better presentation of the analysis; that's all. For instance, at a critical point in the game have the 3-4 main options spelled out, etc. I thought different engines may present analysis differently ... But perhaps not ...
Jamie: I have tried with different thresholds and indeed the lower the threshold the more analysis one gets, so that's something to take into account indeed.
Thanks for the feedback guys; I am still experiment with all this, so it's helpful.
The analysis function is part of the Fritz interface, not part of the Fritz engine. You can plug any engine you want into it (I usually use Crafty).
I don't know if other interfaces make a better presentation, but it should be engine-agnostic in any case.
I am second: I was expecting a better presentation of the analysis; that's all. For instance, at a critical point in the game have the 3-4 main options spelled out, etc. I thought different engines may present analysis differently ... But perhaps not ...
Jamie: I have tried with different thresholds and indeed the lower the threshold the more analysis one gets, so that's something to take into account indeed.
Thanks for the feedback guys; I am still experiment with all this, so it's helpful.
That i dont know naything about. I had used an old free version of fritz for years, but now have fritz 13. I only use it to run my games through after doing my own analysis, so im not the most chess engine savvy person :-) And basically what i do is set the threshold got .33 of a pawn (1 tempo), and usually run blunder check.
Jamie: I did not know that (interface versus engine); thanks. I have never heard of Crafty .. why do you use it?
Since you are obviously tech-savy, and on a diferent topic, what do people use to publish their games online with comments on the side with these nice blue-white boards? I asked this on a different thread but no answers so far .. Thanks!
I use Crafty just because I like the way it thinks. Maybe I imagine it has more in common with my own style than other engines. It probably doesn't, but it's free, so there is that.
For publishing games, are you talking about on chess.com, or elsewhere? I'm sure you know it's easy to do here.
For publishing elsewhere, I'm pretty sure Fritz has that ability, though I haven't used it in a long time, so I don't remember how it works. I'm away from my home PC, so I can't check at the moment.
Jamie: Well, I'm thinking about Chess.com, yes. These Blue-White boards that people publish. And no, I don't know how it is done! Thanks!
trebejos,
In the Post Your Reply: box, look at the little board in the upper left. Click it to enter a game!
By the way, I misspoke about Crafty, which I don't use. I meant to say Critter.
I bought Fritz 14 recently. Yesterday I put the game Deep Blue-Kasparov (3rd game of the 1996 game, a Sicilian Alapin) for an 8 hour Full Analysis (with "verbose" option on). This morning I see a pretty pityful analysis; just some short comments; I am amazed about this after 8 hours! I thought I would see "pages" of analysis, with different variations, etc. Am I missing some feature here? I had the "verbose" option on. Are there other engines that do a better job? Very grateful for any comments/suggestions to make the most of Fritz's analysis feature. Thanks.