GAME REIVEW .VS. COMPUTER ANALYSIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The_Chessplayer_007

I was wandering the difference between the Lichess and Chess.com engine, because when i reviewed a game I played on Lichess, Chess.com gave me 94.5% accuracy like a 2350 and Lichess gave me 97% accuracy. which do ya'll think is more accurate??

The game of interest.

Iansicles

Ok

Martin_Stahl

Chess.com Game Review accuracy is not a direct engine match algorithm.

https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8708970-how-is-accuracy-in-analysis-determined

The_Chessplayer_007
Chessian-Ian wrote:

Ok

what kind of answer is that?? I asked a question, which engine is more accurate?

The_Chessplayer_007
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Chess.com Game Review accuracy is not a direct engine match algorithm.

https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8708970-how-is-accuracy-in-analysis-determined

thanks for this.

blueemu

Both measures are inaccurate.

Black already had a good game after your poor 4th move 4. Nxd5.

ashvasan
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xtreme2020
There isn’t an objectively correct way of calculating accuracy, and accuracy doesn’t necessarily correlate to how well you played either, so it’s not that useful.
nklristic

Chess.com accuracy is in many cases overrated. It is not easy to get under 70 accuracy if you are not a beginner (if you play reasonably long game and that game isn't sharp - if it is, then both players will get lower accuracy probably).

I had a game where I played unrated game vs under 1 000 rated player who proceeded to blunder material 3 times in around 10 moves (after which he resigned), and he still got almost 70 accuracy which is realistically nonsense.

The accuracy has been changed in 2021. Before that, I had bad games with accuracy around 20 or less. When I view one such game after a few years, the accuracy was around 50-60.

Unless it is a sharp game, more often than not I get over 80 accuracy nowadays, which is in my view unrealistic.

If lichess shows even higher numbers (and I've seen many such examples where lichess shows higher numbers accuracy wise), I wouldn't take it seriously.

It is better to view individual moves and see where you went wrong and what you did right, than to judge your game based on some descriptive number which is pretty fishy.

dummy1123

The_Chessplayer_007
nklristic wrote:

Chess.com accuracy is in many cases overrated. It is not easy to get under 70 accuracy if you are not a beginner (if you play reasonably long game and that game isn't sharp - if it is, then both players will get lower accuracy probably).

I had a game where I played unrated game vs under 1 000 rated player who proceeded to blunder material 3 times in around 10 moves (after which he resigned), and he still got almost 70 accuracy which is realistically nonsense.

The accuracy has been changed in 2021. Before that, I had bad games with accuracy around 20 or less. When I view one such game after a few years, the accuracy was around 50-60.

Unless it is a sharp game, more often than not I get over 80 accuracy nowadays, which is in my view unrealistic.

If lichess shows even higher numbers (and I've seen many such examples where lichess shows higher numbers accuracy wise), I wouldn't take it seriously.

It is better to view individual moves and see where you went wrong and what you did right, than to judge your game based on some descriptive number which is pretty fishy.

yea, you probable right. should start to focus on individual moves rather then game review accuracy.

The_Chessplayer_007
blueemu wrote:

Both measures are inaccurate.

Black already had a good game after your poor 4th move 4. Nxd5.

why is Nxd5 a poor move? it seems to me to be an ok move.

nklristic
CaptinBrilliancy wrote:
blueemu wrote:

Both measures are inaccurate.

Black already had a good game after your poor 4th move 4. Nxd5.

why is Nxd5 a poor move? it seems to me to be an ok move.

It doesn't lose the game or anything, but it is not good.

Why? Because you centralize his queen. The rule of the thumb is that centralized queen is not that great this early if there is Nc3 as an option for white. But as there is no knight to challenge it, it is not the best idea to initiate an exchange of knights here. Basically here he gets his queen from the staring square to the middle of the board for free.

There is a similar situation in Scotch opening, there it is not a great move either.

If you just view the position, after move 4. Nobody has a single minor piece out, there is only a black queen, even pawns are on the starting squares. As white plays first, it shouldn't happen that black has one piece out and white has none. It is equal because white is on the move, but black has a fine position.

One will not lose the game because of it of course, but it is nice to notice white the engine says that white doesn't have the opening advantage anymore.

The_Chessplayer_007
nklristic wrote:
CaptinBrilliancy wrote:
blueemu wrote:

Both measures are inaccurate.

Black already had a good game after your poor 4th move 4. Nxd5.

why is Nxd5 a poor move? it seems to me to be an ok move.

It doesn't lose the game or anything, but it is not good.

Why? Because you centralize his queen. The rule of the thimb is that centralized queen is not that great this early if there is Nc3 as an option for white. But as there is no knight to challenge it, it is not the best idea to initiate an exchange of knights here. Basically here he gets his queen from the staring square to the middle of the board for free.

There is a similar situation in Scotch opening, there it is not a great move either.

If you just view the position, after move 4. Nobody has a single minor piece out, there is only a black queen, even pawns are on the starting squares. As white plays first, it shouldn't happen that black has one piece out and white has none. It is equal because white is on the move, but black has a fine position.

One will not lose the game because of it of course, but it is nice to notice white the engine says that white doesn't have the opening advantage anymore.

oh yea , did not think of that. Good to know for future games.

nklristic
CaptinBrilliancy wrote:
nklristic wrote:
CaptinBrilliancy wrote:
blueemu wrote:

Both measures are inaccurate.

Black already had a good game after your poor 4th move 4. Nxd5.

why is Nxd5 a poor move? it seems to me to be an ok move.

It doesn't lose the game or anything, but it is not good.

Why? Because you centralize his queen. The rule of the thimb is that centralized queen is not that great this early if there is Nc3 as an option for white. But as there is no knight to challenge it, it is not the best idea to initiate an exchange of knights here. Basically here he gets his queen from the staring square to the middle of the board for free.

There is a similar situation in Scotch opening, there it is not a great move either.

If you just view the position, after move 4. Nobody has a single minor piece out, there is only a black queen, even pawns are on the starting squares. As white plays first, it shouldn't happen that black has one piece out and white has none. It is equal because white is on the move, but black has a fine position.

One will not lose the game because of it of course, but it is nice to notice white the engine says that white doesn't have the opening advantage anymore.

oh yea , did not think of that. Good to know for future games.

No problem. happy.png

Iansicles

Yep

The_Chessplayer_007
Chessian-Ian wrote:

Yep

lol, a 300 agreeing with mid to hi level tactics as they knew it. also don't think that i am bashing him for being 300, because i have been there to. I just think it's funny

CharlestonViennaGambit

Well, you won, so it doesn't matter.

The_Chessplayer_007
Optimissed wrote:

Hi, it depends what you mean by accuracy. If you mean "playing good moves" (moves that do not lose) you probably had quite a high accuracy. But making moves that make the best of your position is another thing. On move two you played Nc3, which is rather weak, since the main idea is to play d4 and develop. You can play c4 after d4 if you like, hitting the knight. Then on move 4, you used your developed piece to take his piece, instead of developing and so his Q was developed to not a bad square for it, since you no longer have a knight to attack it with, so instead of white getting an advantage out of the opening, the game was completely level after four moves, because two of your moves were not accurate.

So how does this reflect on the analysis engines that gave you that percentage accuracy? It means that they are definitely not good teaching tools. It's all very well cheering up a 600 by being positive but you're stronger than that and obviosly you won't learn like that.

The only way to learn with the chess.com analysis tool is to look at the game in depth by seeing how you could have improved on your play and how your opponent could have improved on his. And although you shouldn't trust the programming of the analysis tool too blindly, Game Review seems much worse. These things are good for weaker players only. Like lets say 300 to 1400 ratings here.

thanks, for the thoughts, seems like a lot of player that of quite a bit better than me are saying stuff like this.