Geller and Tal had positive records against Fischer. Why? Explain.

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TheOldReb

The cheatin commies dont have it so good now , thanks to Fischer !  

JeanMichelJamJar
GreedyPawnEater wrote:
JamieDelarosa wrote:
GreedyPawnEater wrote:

Fischer played Botvinnik only once because Botvinnik had more important things to do than being champion for 40 years. When Fischer appeared Botvinnik was working on his academic career. He had no interest in beating Fischer.

Botvinnik Fide titlist:

1948 (fixed tournament) - 1957 (Lost to Smslov)

1958 (Smyslov throws rematch on orders) - 1960 (Lost to Tal)

1961 (Deathly ill Tal force to play rematch, loses) -1963 (Lost to Petrosian)

Botninnik held the FIDE title for 13 years, and never managed to win a title match as champion, such was the Soviet chicanery.

Utter Nonsense. Botvinnik won more matches for the title than Bobby Fischer has ever dreamed of.

DiogenesDue

The OP and GreedyPawnEater are just trolling.  That is something we should all be able to agree on.

JamieDelarosa
GreedyPawnEater wrote:

50 years old professor Botvinnik drew Fischer very easily in the only game they played. If Botvinnik hadnt decided to pursue academic career Fischer would never had a chance to win anything.

That was game #39 in Fischer's all-time chess bestseller, "My 60 memorable games."

Larry Evans wrote:

"This dramatic meeting between the generations took place on Board 1 (in the Varna Chess Olympiad), after it was rumored that Botvinnik would be given a 'rest day' against the American team.  But it was fated that Fischer, at last, albeit with Black, would have a crack at the World Champion.

Walking into a prepared variation, Fischer promptly refutes it.  'The reader can guess that my equanimity was wrecked,' confesses Botninnik ... Nervously, he procedes to run his still-tenable position downhill."

It took the entire Soviet contingent, in overnight adjournment analysis, to find a drawing chance.

In his book, Fischer demonstrates the winning line he missed, to allow Botvinnik to escape.

The_Ghostess_Lola
Reb wrote:

The cheatin commies dont have it so good now , thanks to Fischer !  

You really feel that way ?....that they cheated ?

Chess isn't gin rummy or poker or bridge. Everything known is in front of you. There are no secrets.

Am I being naive ?

JamieDelarosa
GreedyPawnEater wrote:
JamieDelarosa wrote:
GreedyPawnEater wrote:

Fischer played Botvinnik only once because Botvinnik had more important things to do than being champion for 40 years. When Fischer appeared Botvinnik was working on his academic career. He had no interest in beating Fischer.

Botvinnik Fide titlist:

1948 (fixed tournament) - 1957 (Lost to Smslov)

1958 (Smyslov throws rematch on orders) - 1960 (Lost to Tal)

1961 (Deathly ill Tal force to play rematch, loses) -1963 (Lost to Petrosian)

Botninnik held the FIDE title for 13 years, and never managed to win a title match as champion, such was the Soviet chicanery.

Utter Nonsense. Botvinnik won more matches for the title than Bobby Fischer has ever dreamed of.

Factually incorrect.  He drew Bronstein in 1951 (12-12) and Smyslov in 1954 (12-12).  He lost to Smyslov in 1957 (9.5-12.5) and Tal in 1960 (8.5-12.5).  Four title defenses - no wins.

JamieDelarosa
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
Reb wrote:

The cheatin commies dont have it so good now , thanks to Fischer !  

You really feel that way ?....that they cheated ?

Chess isn't gin rummy or poker or bridge. Everything known is in front of you. There are no secrets.

Am I being naive ?

The Soviets engaged in collusion all the time.

Trash_Aesthetic

In my opinion, Fischer's big weakness was when he did not have an initiative. Fischer's big scores in the candidates matches came from his extreme pressure on his opponents. With Geller and Tal, he was not able to achieve pressure, since the game became very messy. Contrary to popular belief, Fischer was not the best calculator or great in tactics - remember he was famous for his handling of bishop versus knight, strategically.

Remember also, Tal played mind games with Fischer, such as the famous story when Tal asked Fischer why he wrote his move down in Russian.

Without pressure, Fischer himself crumbled,

of course in my humble opinion.

JeanMichelJamJar
btickler wrote:

The OP and GreedyPawnEater are just trolling.  That is something we should all be able to agree on.

he'd have been muted. could be some brain thing that the staff are sympathetic to.

byohannan

Reasons: Geller was an expert in Sicilian and Kings Indian . so most of Fischers home analysis just fell short.

Tal. made Fischer into an unchartered territory most of the times by around move 20 or so. coming with the sharp moves every time was Fischers  weakness.

TheOldReb

Geller beat Fischer more than once in the 6 Be2 najdorf which is simply amazing . It seems none of the top GMs today play 6 Be2 against the najdorf . 

The_Ghostess_Lola

(Pinwheel) ....that you praise GPE, well, it's not a point in your favour. But hey, you is you so do what you do.

Hey !....wait a second....his rating is 600+ points higher than yours ! Therefore, I feel that he's earned his respect. You have quite awayz to go to ever get mine.

TheOldReb

You ok with communism Lola ? 

TheOldReb
pfren wrote:

Reb wrote:

Geller beat Fischer more than once in the 6 Be2 najdorf which is simply amazing . It seems none of the top GMs today play 6 Be2 against the najdorf . 

Naka, Jakovenko, plus a few more... but the big experts of the system were Geller, and Karpov.

Thanks ! Now I recall Karpov played it a lot in his match against Polugaevsky ... forgive my spelling . 

Arawn_of_Annuvin
Marcos-Jekyll wrote:
btickler wrote:

The OP and GreedyPawnEater are just trolling.  That is something we should all be able to agree on.

he'd have been muted. could be some brain thing that the staff are sympathetic to.

I wondered about this too. I think it's very likely that he has some kind of mental illness.

JeanMichelJamJar

lol, he misses his girlfriend. such a nice fella.

look! Catrina wants your body!

The_Ghostess_Lola
Reb wrote:

You ok with communism Lola ? 

Communism ?....I'm not a communist hon. So, what's that hafta do w/ OTB chess ?

JamieDelarosa
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

(Pinwheel) ....that you praise GPE, well, it's not a point in your favour. But hey, you is you so do what you do.

Hey !....wait a second....his engine's rating is 600+ points higher than yours ! Therefore, I feel that he's earned his respect. You have quite awayz to go to ever get mine.

Correction

The_Ghostess_Lola

....if you say so.

Darth_Algar
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
Reb wrote:

You ok with communism Lola ? 

Communism ?....I'm not a communist hon. So, what's that hafta do w/ OTB chess ?

GPE is a troll with a heavy-handed pro-soviet/communist gimmick.