Tal and Geller were members of the CIA and broke into Fischer's mind and stole his thoughts right from his head.
Geller and Tal had positive records against Fischer. Why? Explain.
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pfren wrote:
Reb wrote:
Geller beat Fischer more than once in the 6 Be2 najdorf which is simply amazing . It seems none of the top GMs today play 6 Be2 against the najdorf .
Naka, Jakovenko, plus a few more... but the big experts of the system were Geller, and Karpov.
I think it was also a favorite of Smyslov's early on.
Aug 1, 2015
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#84
jambyvedar2 wrote:
Many masters noticed that Fischer has difficulty handling double edge complicated positions. Tal and Geller are good at double edge complicated positions.
So true.
Aug 1, 2015
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#85
chessmicky wrote:
I love Mikhail Tal as much as the next guy, but the idea that he had some kind of dominance over Fischer is a complete myth. When they played in the Candidates Tournament in 1959, Tal was probably at the peak of his purely tactical powers, and Fischer was an over-awed kid with extremely limited internation experience. Tal beat him 4-0. But he never won another game from Fischer as long as he lived! Fischer was 3.5 - 1.5 in classical chess and 2 - 0 in blitz aganst Tal
Tal showed BF how to play in his prime. And then BF beat him in his. It's that simple.
Aug 1, 2015
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#86
chessmicky wrote:
"Fischer lost to Tal when Fischer was 16. Fischer was nowhere near peak strength at that time.
True, that. But Tal was beating almost everyone in 1959. He was like a gift from the gods, rescuing the chess world from the boring, "correct" Botvinnik/Smyslov style
After winning the Stockholm Interzonal in 1962, just a couple of years removed from the Candidates Tournament in Yugoslavia, the Soviets focused all their efforts on stopping Fischer. His astounding victory with 13 wins, 9 draws, 0 losses unnerved the Soviet chess heirarchy.
This led them to adopt all sorts of illegal tactics at Curacao. The collusion was so obvious, the FIDE finally adopted knockout matches rather than easily fixed tournaments (the Soviet forte) to determine the challenger for the title.
Interestingly, Smyslov was unable to qualify for the 1962 Interzonal.
Same argument can be said about Boris Gulko having a plus record against Kasparov, 4-0 if not mistaken. Boris who? Everyone has a nemesis but that doesn't mean the people that beat them are better.
Aug 1, 2015
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#88
Everyone has a nemesis but that doesn't mean the people that beat them are better.
You're so right here Debistro. GPE and I have many a nemesis, but that doesn't mean they're better or smarter....more so the contrary.
whats the connection ?
yeres30 wrote:
Reb wrote: Geller beat Fischer more than once in the 6 Be2 najdorf which is simply amazing . It seems none of the top GMs today play 6 Be2 against the najdorf .
Geller beat Fischer only once in the 6.Be2 Najdorf (Opocensky Variation).
The other two games with the 6.Be2 Najdorf (Opocensky Variation) were draws.
I could be wrong though.
Good catch yeres ! I was mistaken and you are correct . Geller only won once in this line against Fischer .
pfren wrote:
True. They also stole his marbles.
Fischer played marbles too ?! 
Did any world champion lose the title more than Botvinnik ? He lost 3 times , to Smyslov , Tal , and Petrosian .
1800 posts, and all of them are the same one.
In the 1936, Stalin met Capablanca and asked the chess master how he liked the tournament he was playing in the USSR. Capablanca replied, “It’s terrible. Your players are cheating.” Stalin then said, “What do you mean?” Capablanca replied, “When they play against each other, the Soviets make quick draws and they get to rest. When they play against me, they fight on and on just to make me tired.” After the conversation, the cheating stopped immediately.
In 1937, Botvinnik was playing a match with Grigory Levenfish (1889-1961). In his adjourned 13th game, Botvinnik called the arbiter, Nikolai Grigoriev (1895-1938), saying that Botvinnik was going to resign his adjourned game. Grigoriev, one of the strongest endgame composers in the world, told Botvinnik not to resign and that he, Grigoriev, found some defensive moves that could lead to a draw or even a win. Grigoriev then started telling Botvinnik his analysis of the adjourned position. Botvinnik tried to cut Grigoriev off, saying an arbitrator, of all people, should not be giving analysis to a player during adjournment. Grigoriev replied that is was OK, since Levenfish was getting help from several other masters.
From 1940 to 1964, the Soviet chess masters may have colluded in world championship tournaments. Soviet players agreed to draws between themselves to improve their standings. This was especially true in the 1962 Candidates’ Tournament.
After World War II, there may have been an effort by the Russians to execute Paul Keres for playing in German tournaments during the war, but Mikhail Botvinnik may have intervened to prevent this. Keres may have owed Botvinnik his life. In 1948, in the world championship match-tournament, Paul Keres (1916-1975) may have been ordered by the Soviets to throw his games to Mikhail Botvinnik for the world championship. Keres played well against his three other rivals, but lost his first four games to Botvinnik. Years later, Botvinnik gave an interview stating that Stalin had given orders for Keres and Smyslov to lose to Botvinnik so that Botvinnik would become world champion.
In 1962, Bobby Fischer (1943-2008) complained that the Russian prearranged draws against each other in order to conserve energy for play against him. Fischer’s article “The Russian Have Fixed World Chess,” appeared in Sports Illustrated. This led to the tournament system being scrapped in favor of a series of elimination matches. Years later, Viktor Korchnoi, after he defected, accused Soviet players of cheating, of ganging up on Westerners in tournaments and throwing key games when necessary.
Aug 1, 2015
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#96
Reb wrote:
In the 1936, Stalin met Capablanca and asked the chess master how he liked the tournament he was playing in the USSR. Capablanca replied, “It’s terrible. Your players are cheating.” Stalin then said, “What do you mean?” Capablanca replied, “When they play against each other, the Soviets make quick draws and they get to rest. When they play against me, they fight on and on just to make me tired.” After the conversation, the cheating stopped immediately.
In 1937, Botvinnik was playing a match with Grigory Levenfish (1889-1961). In his adjourned 13th game, Botvinnik called the arbiter, Nikolai Grigoriev (1895-1938), saying that Botvinnik was going to resign his adjourned game. Grigoriev, one of the strongest endgame composers in the world, told Botvinnik not to resign and that he, Grigoriev, found some defensive moves that could lead to a draw or even a win. Grigoriev then started telling Botvinnik his analysis of the adjourned position. Botvinnik tried to cut Grigoriev off, saying an arbitrator, of all people, should not be giving analysis to a player during adjournment. Grigoriev replied that is was OK, since Levenfish was getting help from several other masters.
From 1940 to 1964, the Soviet chess masters may have colluded in world championship tournaments. Soviet players agreed to draws between themselves to improve their standings. This was especially true in the 1962 Candidates’ Tournament.
After World War II, there may have been an effort by the Russians to execute Paul Keres for playing in German tournaments during the war, but Mikhail Botvinnik may have intervened to prevent this. Keres may have owed Botvinnik his life. In 1948, in the world championship match-tournament, Paul Keres (1916-1975) may have been ordered by the Soviets to throw his games to Mikhail Botvinnik for the world championship. Keres played well against his three other rivals, but lost his first four games to Botvinnik. Years later, Botvinnik gave an interview stating that Stalin had given orders for Keres and Smyslov to lose to Botvinnik so that Botvinnik would become world champion.
This is very interesting! In fact this is one of the most interesting posts I've seen on chess.com. Do you have any documentation to back up these statements? It seems that Bobby Fischer was not so crazy after all when he said that the Soviets were cheating!
http://www.chessmaniac.com/cheating-and-chess/
Got it from there Doc but have also read of some of these incidents in other sources as well ...
Aug 1, 2015
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#98
I have a blog about Soviet collusion in the championship tournaments
Aug 1, 2015
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#99
....and Yeres, I'm still mad at you 'cuz you locked me out after I snap checkmated you. I'll have you reminded that you won me our first 17 games straight !
Yes, I know you played Tigran Petrosian in the 1960's Olympiad's. I know that. But, we have a connection in that you're an Islander like myself. And if I ever get back to Honolulu, you know I would offer to buy you a Saimin somewhere in Pearl City. And then some crackseed....
....yummy !
I liked playing chess w/ you Yeres, but right now I feel like you're being kinda a bad sport. Straighten up luv....
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Many masters noticed that Fischer has difficulty handling double edge complicated positions. Tal and Geller are good at double edge complicated positions.