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One problem with draw etiquette is that the rules don't make sense in the first place.

The rules say something like offer a draw on your own time and then in the rules again in the next sentence it says well if you don't want to that is ok too.

That seems like a silly rule to me.

Imagine tennis if the rules said only strike the ball once unless you don't feel like it.

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vickalan wrote:

Check this at 3:15

 

if they had broken his kneecaps then, he wouldn't have been doing this later in life.

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KeSetoKaiba wrote:
BlakeyBChess wrote:

...a lot that people mess up [etiquette] , particularly when it comes to offering draws!

I've played in several USCF OTB tournaments and I've noticed a lot too; what are some of your "worst" observed cases of etiquette? More interestingly, how would you offer a draw correctly and how "messed up" have some observed "draw offer stories" been? I've seen a few odd cases myself.

How I would offer a draw (and how you're supposed to offer a draw), is to make my move, say "I offer a draw" as I'm reaching for the clock, and then hit the clock.

In order from the least-bad to most-bad violations of this I've seen:

  • Punching the clock and then offering a draw right afterwards (not too bad, intent was clear to offer it simultaneously with your move)
  • Offering a draw on your own turn without having made a move (very strange. I just sit there acting like I'm thinking about it, watching their clock tick down happy.png )
  • Interrupting a long think on your opponent's turn by saying "I offer a draw" (bonus points if your opponent has a better/winning position and they're obviously just trying to figure out the best way to maximize their advantage, and you think "oh look, they're frustrated, maybe they'll take a draw offer!")
  • Offering a draw from worst/lost positions. Also, offering a draw against a much better player in an equal position. No, just because I reached some equal middlegame against a GM doesn't mean I should be offering a draw to him...it's no secret that I'd be happy with drawing an equal middlegame against a GM - he'll let me know if he wants to draw.
  • Offering draws repeatedly.
  • The WORST - shoving your hand in your opponent's face simultaneously with your draw offer and leaving it there until you get a response! A lot of kids are guilty of this. If you offer me a draw, I can think about it as long as I want to. I don't have to accept or decline right away, and I don't need your hand reaching across the whole board as I'm trying to analyze the position! No part of a draw offer involves offering your hand to your opponent...save the handshake for after your opponent agrees.

Also, one bonus when receiving a draw offer....

  • Giving an explanation for your refusal. If you're offered a draw, take as much time as you want to think about it...but either say "I accept" and pause the clock, or make a move as usual. No explanation needed for declining! (I have sometimes heard very strong players just say something like "I'll play on a bit more" or "play on" or "decline" when making their next move after receiving a draw offer - personally I don't have a problem with that, though it's certainly not required).
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BlakeyBChess wrote:
KeSetoKaiba wrote:
BlakeyBChess wrote:

...a lot that people mess up [etiquette] , particularly when it comes to offering draws!

I've played in several USCF OTB tournaments and I've noticed a lot too; what are some of your "worst" observed cases of etiquette? More interestingly, how would you offer a draw correctly and how "messed up" have some observed "draw offer stories" been? I've seen a few odd cases myself.

How I would offer a draw (and how you're supposed to offer a draw), is to make my move, say "I offer a draw" as I'm reaching for the clock, and then hit the clock.

In order from the least-bad to most-bad violations of this I've seen:

  • Punching the clock and then offering a draw right afterwards (not too bad, intent was clear to offer it simultaneously with your move)
  • Offering a draw on your own turn without having made a move (very strange. I just sit there acting like I'm thinking about it, watching their clock tick down )
  • Interrupting a long think on your opponent's turn by saying "I offer a draw" (bonus points if your opponent has a better/winning position and they're obviously just trying to figure out the best way to maximize their advantage, and you think "oh look, they're frustrated, maybe they'll take a draw offer!")
  • Offering a draw from worst/lost positions. Also, offering a draw against a much better player in an equal position. No, just because I reached some equal middlegame against a GM doesn't mean I should be offering a draw to him...it's no secret that I'd be happy with drawing an equal middlegame against a GM - he'll let me know if he wants to draw.
  • Offering draws repeatedly.
  • The WORST - shoving your hand in your opponent's face simultaneously with your draw offer and leaving it there until you get a response! A lot of kids are guilty of this. If you offer me a draw, I can think about it as long as I want to. I don't have to accept or decline right away, and I don't need your hand reaching across the whole board as I'm trying to analyze the position! No part of a draw offer involves offering your hand to your opponent...save the handshake for after your opponent agrees.

Thanks for the post. Most of your shared instances I've seen at some point as well. Of course, there are still those really odd cases where I still am not sure what the player was thinking: one such case I observed a game where one side was completely winning, but then offers a draw grin.png Perhaps they just didn't recognize the winning technique, maybe fatigue from along day of chess, or something? Not really sure why; it was a rated event, and it did not seem like they were sandbagging. Ironically, the other player declined the draw and ended up losing anyway! Mind you that this is not a blitz event, but a longer time control event. I still wonder at times what some players could possibly be thinking. ???

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Dale wrote:

One problem with draw etiquette is that the rules don't make sense in the first place.

The rules say something like offer a draw on your own time and then in the rules again in the next sentence it says well if you don't want to that is ok too.

That seems like a silly rule to me.

Imagine tennis if the rules said only strike the ball once unless you don't feel like it.

That is very true, am amazed that such an imprecise rule could apply to any chess.

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autobunny wrote:
vickalan wrote:

Check this at 3:15

if they had broken his kneecaps then, he wouldn't have been doing this later in life.

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