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gmngana29
Sep 12, 2020
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#821

Where is your evidence

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p8q
Sep 12, 2020
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#822
The_Krieg wrote:
p8q wrote:
The_Krieg wrote:
Magnetta123 wrote:
The_Krieg wrote:
Magnetta123 wrote:

My "opinion" here is actually a fact, and you don't know, since you haven't read the entire thread. 

 

Reading the entire thread is a waste of time.

I simply stated the truth...  the truth is the only thing worthy

Indeed. And that is what many others said. So the statement "I was the only one who contributed something sensible to this thread" is not correct, because since you haven't read the thread, you cannot claim that at all, you can say you contributed something good but you cant say that you were the only who contributed something good.

 

Actually, the truth is that I was the only member in this thread topic to state a factual account of the development of chess as well as the fact that Chess originated in neither India nor Persia.  

Where did it orgininate? i missed that part

 

 

Please go back and read the thread as that issue was explained in depth in previous posts.  

i already went back, but it's impossible to find, it's buried somewhere between 1142 posts sad.png

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The_Krieg
Sep 12, 2020
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#823

The fact is that while there are those who wish to create the perception that Chess originated in either India or Persia, the truth is that Chess (modern chess) as it exists today originated in neither India nor Persia.  

 

Other posts by trolls on this particular thread topic claiming that China is the origination point of Chess don't take this topic seriously and are simply trying to lead others astray.  

 

There has been scholarly texts written about the true origins and development of modern chess.  I would proffer that such scholarly works supported by painstaking research are far more reliable than any biased assessment given by anonymous posters online. 

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gmngana29
Sep 12, 2020
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#824

These scholarly texts are clearly not saying where chess originated. Chess was changed in Europe, not created.

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p8q
Sep 12, 2020
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#825
The_Krieg wrote:

Chess actually originated in Guernsey in the 5th Century AD by Lucian Saint Guernésiais who traveled through South Asia around 7,000 BCE bringing the art form to Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia as well as the Indian Subcontinent.  

 

Though not officially credited with the creation of Chess, Lucian Saint Guernésiais is considered as the first Chess Master of Guernsey and the creator of Chess as we know it today in Guernsey

Where did you find that information??

I'm googling "Lucian Saint Guernésiais" and he doesn't exist on the internet. Did you make that up? or did you find it somewhere? If you don't provide bibliography we can't believe you.

Lucian Saint Guernésiais looks like a catholic french name. That didn't exist in the year 7000 BCE!! are you just laughing at us?

It doesn't even make sense, someone traveling around 7000 BCE can't live in Guersey in the 5th century AD hahhaha XD

If you don't answer it's because you made it up.

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goodbye27
Sep 12, 2020
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#826

why do i follow this thread anyway, unfollowed

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p8q
Sep 12, 2020
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#827

ok guys, i'll do what you were unable to do (a google search).

Result: Chess was invented in India. Now, move on.

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p8q
Sep 12, 2020
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#828
Preusseagro wrote:
The_Krieg hat geschrieben:

The fact is that while there are those who wish to create the perception that Chess originated in either India or Persia, the truth is that Chess (modern chess) as it exists today originated in neither India nor Persia.  

 

Other posts by trolls on this particular thread topic claiming that China is the origination point of Chess don't take this topic seriously and are simply trying to lead others astray.  

 

There has been scholarly texts written about the true origins and development of modern chess.  I would proffer that such scholarly works supported by painstaking research are far more reliable than any biased assessment given by anonymous posters online. 

There are scholars who do say otherwise not only online posters so?

You know history is not sience it is Humanities, where are historicans arguing about theories. 

History is science, that's the reason we use Carbon-14 to prove history.

Humanities are always full of lies.

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The_Krieg
Sep 12, 2020
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#829
TumpaiTubo wrote:
To those who try to state that Chess originated, or was created anywhere prior to the game we now call Chess, the prior games were not Chess. It’s like trying to lump all ball games into football. It doesn’t matter which came first, football is football, baseball is baseball, and basketball is basketball.

Chess is not Indian, Chinese, or any other various forms of similar games, as they are not Chess. It’s no different than trying to state that American Indian Stickball, came from bowling.

 

Hence, there lies the distinction between Modern Chess and other prior forms.

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The_Krieg
Sep 12, 2020
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#830
gdzen wrote:

why do i follow this thread anyway, unfollowed

 

Because it is a worthwhile topic to discuss when taken seriously

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p8q
Sep 12, 2020
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#831
TumpaiTubo wrote:
To those who try to state that Chess originated, or was created anywhere prior to the game we now call Chess, the prior games were not Chess. It’s like trying to lump all ball games into football. It doesn’t matter which came first, football is football, baseball is baseball, and basketball is basketball.

Chess is not Indian, Chinese, or any other various forms of similar games, as they are not Chess. It’s no different than trying to state that American Indian Stickball, came from bowling.

Chess is not Indian, nor chinese, but it originated in India. The purpose of the forum was to discuss the origin.

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The_Krieg
Sep 12, 2020
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#832
p8q wrote:
TumpaiTubo wrote:
To those who try to state that Chess originated, or was created anywhere prior to the game we now call Chess, the prior games were not Chess. It’s like trying to lump all ball games into football. It doesn’t matter which came first, football is football, baseball is baseball, and basketball is basketball.

Chess is not Indian, Chinese, or any other various forms of similar games, as they are not Chess. It’s no different than trying to state that American Indian Stickball, came from bowling.

Chess is not Indian, nor chinese, but it originated in India. The purpose of the forum was to discuss the origin.

 

 

Chess did not originate in India.  

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p8q
Sep 12, 2020
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#833
The_Krieg wrote:
p8q wrote:
TumpaiTubo wrote:
To those who try to state that Chess originated, or was created anywhere prior to the game we now call Chess, the prior games were not Chess. It’s like trying to lump all ball games into football. It doesn’t matter which came first, football is football, baseball is baseball, and basketball is basketball.

Chess is not Indian, Chinese, or any other various forms of similar games, as they are not Chess. It’s no different than trying to state that American Indian Stickball, came from bowling.

Chess is not Indian, nor chinese, but it originated in India. The purpose of the forum was to discuss the origin.

Chess did not originate in India.  

Where did it?

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The_Krieg
Sep 12, 2020
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#834
p8q wrote:
The_Krieg wrote:
p8q wrote:
TumpaiTubo wrote:
To those who try to state that Chess originated, or was created anywhere prior to the game we now call Chess, the prior games were not Chess. It’s like trying to lump all ball games into football. It doesn’t matter which came first, football is football, baseball is baseball, and basketball is basketball.

Chess is not Indian, Chinese, or any other various forms of similar games, as they are not Chess. It’s no different than trying to state that American Indian Stickball, came from bowling.

Chess is not Indian, nor chinese, but it originated in India. The purpose of the forum was to discuss the origin.

Chess did not originate in India.  

Where did it?

 

 

Using your own post

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India's Chaturanga (a four player game) did not resemble Modern Chess.  

 

 

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gmngana29
Sep 12, 2020
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#835

Chatarunga is not a four player game. Chess.com has recreated chatarunga in beta and it is 2 player

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p8q
Sep 12, 2020
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#836
The_Krieg wrote:
p8q wrote:
The_Krieg wrote:
p8q wrote:
TumpaiTubo wrote:
To those who try to state that Chess originated, or was created anywhere prior to the game we now call Chess, the prior games were not Chess. It’s like trying to lump all ball games into football. It doesn’t matter which came first, football is football, baseball is baseball, and basketball is basketball.

Chess is not Indian, Chinese, or any other various forms of similar games, as they are not Chess. It’s no different than trying to state that American Indian Stickball, came from bowling.

Chess is not Indian, nor chinese, but it originated in India. The purpose of the forum was to discuss the origin.

Chess did not originate in India.  

Where did it?

 

Using your own post

India's Chaturanga (a four player game) did not resemble Modern Chess.  

I think the reason you are confused is because you don't distinguish between the word "origin" and the word "nowadays".

Chess comes from Chaturanga (the origin). Chaturanga comes from India. Ergo chess comes from India. India is the origin of chess.

Is chess from India? NO. But its origin is from india.

Where does chess come from? Chess is a composition from all human kind. It comes from Asia, Africa and Europe at the same time, because each one made its own contribution.

But still, where is the origin of this contribution? India.

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The_Krieg
Sep 12, 2020
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#837
gmngana29 wrote:

Chatarunga is not a four player game. Chess.com has recreated chatarunga in beta and it is 2 player

 

You can purchase an actual version of India's 4 player Chatarunga board game online.  Search online for images of the Chatarunga game board and you will see that it is configured for 4 players.   

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The_Krieg
Sep 12, 2020
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#838
p8q wrote:
The_Krieg wrote:
p8q wrote:
The_Krieg wrote:
p8q wrote:
TumpaiTubo wrote:
To those who try to state that Chess originated, or was created anywhere prior to the game we now call Chess, the prior games were not Chess. It’s like trying to lump all ball games into football. It doesn’t matter which came first, football is football, baseball is baseball, and basketball is basketball.

Chess is not Indian, Chinese, or any other various forms of similar games, as they are not Chess. It’s no different than trying to state that American Indian Stickball, came from bowling.

Chess is not Indian, nor chinese, but it originated in India. The purpose of the forum was to discuss the origin.

Chess did not originate in India.  

Where did it?

 

Using your own post

India's Chaturanga (a four player game) did not resemble Modern Chess.  

I think the reason you are confused is because you don't distinguish between the word "origin" and the word "nowadays".

Chess comes from Chaturanga (the origin). Chaturanga comes from India. Ergo chess comes from India. India is the origin of chess.

Is chess from India? NO. But its origin is from india.

Where is chess from? Chess is a composition from all human kind. It comes from Asia, Africa and Europe at the same time, because each one made its own contribution.

But still, where is the origin of this contribution? India.

 

Untrue.  India's Chatarunga isn't Chess at all.  Modern Chess has no origin in India's Chatarunga.  That's just like saying that the game of basketball has its origin in rock throwing in India or Persia. 

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KoldC45E
Sep 12, 2020
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#839

Agree, Krieg. Chess is not chaturanga. Historian can`t make sole decision based on his/ their side theory on different things, different board games. Who knows the idea of the creation of chess take example of chaturanga. NO medieval christian writer/historian say so or ever write  something like that Chess is come from the idea of chaturanga.

So I disagree with Conclusion made by some historian about chess originated from Indians or china.

Like this, do you all agree human originated in Garden of Eve. Because I believe it, based on our oldest text book, Do you people outside Abrahamaic folowers would follow the lead about human origin ?

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The_Krieg
Sep 12, 2020
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#840
TumpaiTubo wrote:
p8q wrote:
TumpaiTubo wrote:
To those who try to state that Chess originated, or was created anywhere prior to the game we now call Chess, the prior games were not Chess. It’s like trying to lump all ball games into football. It doesn’t matter which came first, football is football, baseball is baseball, and basketball is basketball.

Chess is not Indian, Chinese, or any other various forms of similar games, as they are not Chess. It’s no different than trying to state that American Indian Stickball, came from bowling.

Chess is not Indian, nor chinese, but it originated in India. The purpose of the forum was to discuss the origin.

Why stop in India?  Why not go back to Senet?  Why is it improbable that different forms of war games independently evolved into Chess as we know it today?  

 

Because they didn't...